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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 24 2004, 11:48 AM (342 Views) | |
| ds9074 | Nov 24 2004, 11:48 AM Post #1 |
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England are due to be playing Zimbabwe in a cricket tour in the next few days and the team are in S. Africa waiting to fly. The tour has always been controversal with England reluctant to go on both moral and security grouds, yet the ICC (the internal cricket council) has treatened to fine England heavily and isolate us in world cricket if we dont go. Talks are underway now to resolve the crisis, with the latests problem being that the Zimbabwean Government has refused to allow such prestidious organisations as the BBC and the Times of London to report from within Zimbabwe on the cricket. While mixing sport with politics is usually to be avoided Mr Mugabe makes me :sick:. I was talking the other day to someone who has come to England to seek refugue from Zimbabwe and the decent into dictatorship and the economic disaster of Mr Mugabe's Government. To quote someone, it is my opinion that the line must be drawn here, this far and no further. Mugabe can call us colonialists if he likes, the ICC can fine us if they like, the other cricketing nations can boycott us if they want to side with Mugabe, but at least we would know that we had taken the correct moral decision. England should not play in Zimbabwe. I hope if we choose not to that other nations such as Australia and South Africa will stand with us, not with a dictator. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/4013267.stm |
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| captain_proton_au | Nov 24 2004, 11:55 AM Post #2 |
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I actually agreed with Mugabe and Co, kicking the white farmers off their land, about time the blacks got one over the whites, but of course his cronies didnt need to kill them, I didnt agree with that obviously. Unfortunately he's turned out to be a greedy little so and so, pillaging the countries wealth instead of helping his own people. So yes Zimbabwe should be boycotted, its just not safe enough there anyway |
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| 24thcenstfan | Nov 24 2004, 12:00 PM Post #3 |
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I hope so too. I quite like seeing people stand up for what is right and occasionally give a collective middle finger. Mugabe is such a man who deserves the one finger salute. |
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| ds9074 | Nov 24 2004, 12:12 PM Post #4 |
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I South Africa they have a legal program for redistributing land back to the black population, land that white colonialists did take by force. It is a slower process but an altogether fairer one. I mean look a what he is doing; New media clampdown in Zimbabwe Zimbabwe judges under pressure Zimbabwe's torture training camps Waiting for change in Zimbabwe Was Zimbabwe's election fair? Long wait for Zimbabwean recovery This tyrant has treatened the political opposition, taken measures to curtain opposition political activities, created an economic disaster, intimated the judicary if it stands up to him, restricted the free press, rigged elections and begun to use violence means of suppressing the population. Yet if Britain says that wrong in many countries, even South Africa, a large body of people says we are being colonialists and acting like the British Empire still existed. Yet we would be saying the same for any country doing this whether it was a former possetion or not, but it is true that because of our historic ties with Zimbabwe we feel an extra sense of responsibility for its people. Thats not a desire to see them returned to our juristiction, that is a desire to see them succeed and take their place alongside S. Africa as a strong and increasing prosperous democracy. |
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| somerled | Nov 25 2004, 12:37 AM Post #5 |
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It's a game of cricket - not a big deal. If they want to get really serious - how about banning or confistating all Brit investments in Zimbabwe. |
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| ds9074 | Dec 1 2004, 12:17 PM Post #6 |
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Now that we are actually playing Zimbabwe it hardly seems worth while. The "premiership" of international cricket is supposed to be based around a group of countries with broadly equal abilities. Yet Zimbabwe clearly are no longer in that catagory. They need to be relegated to playing the likes of France, Scotland and the Netherlands. As the match correspondent said this was men against boys and it makes a mockery of cricket. The problem is that many of their best players were saked by Mugabe for being white. Todays scorecard was just crazy for a one day game; England 263 for 6 Zimbabwe 102 all out England win by 161 runs We are now 2-0 up in a 4 match series, you have to feel sorry for the people of Zimbabwe and also wonder whether it was really worth going ahead with, I imagine spending quite a lot of money to keep the players in good condition, while people struggle to make ends meet on the streets .
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Dec 1 2004, 12:59 PM Post #7 |
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Robert Mugabe is Commie vermin. Supporting him and his regime is absurd. Britain should show its disdain for nationalizing white farmer's lands and kicking them out by boycotting the country. |
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| gvok | Dec 1 2004, 01:11 PM Post #8 |
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Admiral, do you feel it was right for the White settlers to take the land away from the original Black population? If you don't feel it was right, what solutions would you propose to compensate those who lost their property? |
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| ds9074 | Dec 1 2004, 01:14 PM Post #9 |
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What we did in the first place was wrong, but then that doesnt mean what Mugabe is doing is right. The trouble was that the white farmers were actually farming the land efficiently and providing food for the population and now the new land owners are not doing that. There are also other issues beyond land - like the supression of political opposition which is black led, undermining of freedoms and the economic mismanagement of the country. |
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| gvok | Dec 1 2004, 01:16 PM Post #10 |
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I'm not defending Mugabe's specific policies. |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Dec 1 2004, 02:18 PM Post #11 |
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Do you know how it was taken? What was the land doing before white settlers came? |
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| gvok | Dec 1 2004, 02:23 PM Post #12 |
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Farming mostly. In 1930 a land act was passed by the colonial legislature banning black ownership of land. All of which was transfered to white ownership. |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Dec 1 2004, 02:33 PM Post #13 |
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So does that, to you, justify Robert Mugabe's policies of evicting white farmers (and if they resist, killing them), and replacing them with black ownership who generally don't know which end of the hoe to hold because they've never seen a farm? |
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| gvok | Dec 1 2004, 02:37 PM Post #14 |
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No. Do you think any sort of compensation is warranted? |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Dec 1 2004, 02:41 PM Post #15 |
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At the very least. Mugabe should never have adopted the policy, but warlord types always do... |
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