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| Minuet | Nov 30 2004, 11:54 AM Post #91 |
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Actually I do not tithe to the synagogue. I give some money, but not 10%. Tithing to the synagogue is not a religious requirement. Giving 10% to Tzedakah, or charity is a religious requirement. How to give that is not specified. I'm not sure you entirely understood what I was saying. Yes - you choose to tithe to the Church. But is it entirely a "choice"? I know that you (Fesarius) - as an individual - practice a very fundamental form of Christianity. Since tithing is a "requirement" of your religion is it really your choice (beyond your choosing your particular religion that is) My point about taxes is that since much of the money paid (at least in Canada ) is used to fund programs for the poor it counts under Tzedakah. At least that is what we were told in the program. The point is that tithing is really a societal requirement to help improve the world, as are taxes. I am glad my taxes help me fulfill this religious requirement.
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| Fesarius | Nov 30 2004, 12:34 PM Post #92 |
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Minuet, I see. Thanks for the explanation.
Yes, as it is voluntary, and not a requirement. For example, there are several people in the churches I have attended over the past twenty-five or so years who chose not to tithe. They were still members, but they chose not to do it.
Understood. I can see where they are the same given what you've written here. If anyone tries to separate the two, I believe that they would be engaged in semantic hair-splitting. And I don't see the poster whom loves to do this here today.
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| Minuet | Nov 30 2004, 12:41 PM Post #93 |
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One more question regarding the "voluntary" nature of tithing, for christians. As it is a religious requirement does the person who chooses not to pay it risk going to hell??? This is what I meant by it not being voluntary - obviously man always has individual choice. If one chooses not to pay taxes they risk jail. If one chooses not to pay a tithe they risk going to hell. See a parallel here? |
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| gvok | Nov 30 2004, 12:43 PM Post #94 |
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Not all "Chrisians" believe the same things. |
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| Minuet | Nov 30 2004, 12:46 PM Post #95 |
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^^^True - but I believe the concept of going to hell if you break the rules is pretty universal in Christianity. |
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| Fesarius | Nov 30 2004, 12:48 PM Post #96 |
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Minuet, I don't understand your question. It is *not* a religious requirement. I have never seen this stated in any Christian Creed anywhere. Where (or why) are you assuming that it is a requirement? I must be missing your point. BTW, I do see a parallel given your premise. As for the 'going to hell' part, I don't know anyone of similar faith that believes that this is possible for breaking a rule, given the concept (or Doctrine) of grace. |
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| Hoss | Nov 30 2004, 12:48 PM Post #97 |
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as we were making the comparison with modern day charities and charitable giving in today's USA and Canada, this is irrelevant.
I believe this is left up to the individual to decide as we acknowledge that the creator endowed us with free will. Also, giving of ones time and effort is equivalent to wealth in the eyes of many as a.) we do get paid for such things, and b.) we do not always have money, but can volunteer to do things. If people only gave money, nothing would get done except a pile of cash would accumulate. I guess that there may be a sect or denomination or two around who preaches that you will suffer eternal damnation if you don't pay a certain amount to the church. |
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| Fesarius | Nov 30 2004, 12:51 PM Post #98 |
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Correct.
Please let me know where I can find this pile of money. Thanks.
Yes, I would say that some cults teach this. But I draw a distinction between cults and legitimate faiths.
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| Minuet | Nov 30 2004, 12:52 PM Post #99 |
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Ok fair enough. I never claimed to be an expert on Christianity
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| gvok | Nov 30 2004, 12:53 PM Post #100 |
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I can't speak for the various Protestant sects. However, in the Roman Catholic Church certain sins are worse than others and there is no preset level of infractions which gain you admittance into hell that I am aware of. |
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| Hoss | Nov 30 2004, 12:55 PM Post #101 |
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The idea is stated that those who give a great deal (relatively speaking) will recieve a great deal and there is of course the corollary to that. The whole idea with Christianity is salvation and love thy neighbor, not that you're going to hell if you don't keep every last letter of the law (i.e., all the laws of Moses about this, that or the other). |
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| Hoss | Nov 30 2004, 12:57 PM Post #102 |
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Yes, there are deadly sins that, if not corrected, will seriously and negatively affect your chances of salvation. But always there is repentance, atonement and forgiveness. As far as I know, there is a reference to one unforgivable sin and that is blaspheming the Holy Spirit. |
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| Fesarius | Nov 30 2004, 12:57 PM Post #103 |
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^^^ Well said, for a Protestant.
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| Minuet | Nov 30 2004, 12:59 PM Post #104 |
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Wow - in true Sistertrek style we have really gotten off topic here. Interesting discussion though. |
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| Hoss | Nov 30 2004, 01:01 PM Post #105 |
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For the record, I am Holy Roman Catholic. But I was baptized Methodist, confirmed Lutheran and married Catholic. I also have a great aunt on my mother's side who is Jewish for what it is worth.
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) is used to fund programs for the poor it counts under Tzedakah. At least that is what we were told in the program. The point is that tithing is really a societal requirement to help improve the world, as are taxes. I am glad my taxes help me fulfill this religious requirement.

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