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| Hoss | Nov 29 2004, 01:38 PM Post #61 |
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Actually, they are. GWB picked up a few electoral votes this time around because of the 2000 census redestributing electoral votes to 'red' states. Just a nitpick.
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Nov 29 2004, 01:47 PM Post #62 |
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Min, Texas has the second largest population in the country, Florida is fourth. We are not talking about Rhode Island here... So, you are factually inaccurate. People sure aren't leaving for "blue" states. Many of them LOST electoral representation after the 2000 census. Why? Because the states (except California, where they are also factoring in illegals) with the largest population growth are in the south (i.e., red states). |
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| Minuet | Nov 29 2004, 01:50 PM Post #63 |
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^^^ I said most, not all. And you are skirting the issue. I am not making a judgement of who is right and who is wrong. Simply pointing out that paying higher taxes is equivilent to paying more in private charitable donations. |
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| doctortobe | Nov 29 2004, 02:34 PM Post #64 |
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Not an equivilant, because you aren't sent to jail for not paying money to private charities. |
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| Minuet | Nov 29 2004, 02:37 PM Post #65 |
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But you are not sent to jail for choosing to live in a different state with lower taxes - or if there is a lot of opposition to the high taxes a different state government could always be voted in. There is more choice involved then you would care to admit. |
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| doctortobe | Nov 29 2004, 02:43 PM Post #66 |
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But in the end, unless they are repealed entirely, taxes are ALWAYS mandatory and charity is ALWAYS a choice. |
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| Minuet | Nov 29 2004, 02:59 PM Post #67 |
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Doc - you are changing the subject here. AB accused the "Blue" states of being less generous because they give less to charity. I am merely pointing out that government funded social programs are also "charity" and therefore those in the "Blue" states are not really giving less. As I stated - if the people in those states don't like the higher taxes they are paying then they have options such as voting in a "Red" candidate or moving to a "Red" state. Sometimes "mandatory" is voluntary. |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Nov 29 2004, 04:29 PM Post #68 |
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Min, I don't know if I mentioned, but there was more than one reason as to why I moved back to Texas when I got out of the Navy. One of them was the fact that I owned a little condo here, but I could have sold that. Also important was no state income tax in Texas. Couple that with lower cost of living and you can see why I was here. |
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| Minuet | Nov 29 2004, 04:36 PM Post #69 |
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^^^ And there was nothing wrong in your making that choice. I am only pointing out that others have made a different choice. I made the choice to move back to Canada. My husband and I have no problem with the higher taxes and believe strongly in the things that those taxes pay for. Our choice was voluntary. In fact it cost us a great deal in moving costs. Different strokes for different folks. |
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| Hoss | Nov 29 2004, 04:39 PM Post #70 |
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Is it generous to vote to give away someone else's money? |
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| Minuet | Nov 29 2004, 04:42 PM Post #71 |
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^^^I don't get your point. The majority in those states have made the decision together. And as I said if someone is unhappy they can always move to another state. |
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| Hoss | Nov 29 2004, 05:08 PM Post #72 |
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My point is that the vast majority of taxation is paid by the highest quintile. If the people in the lower quintiles (who have the majority of the population) use their numbers to violently force those in the highest quintile to pay for some program or another, that is not akin to generosity from a group as it is not giving of themselves. It is not generosity when the voters are voting to give away someone elses money, it is forced wealth redistribution and anti-capitalist, anti-freewill, anti-private property, etc. Generosity involves freely giving of ones own time or property. |
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| ANOVA | Nov 29 2004, 06:25 PM Post #73 |
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So long as the states and not the federal government are making the rules. Otherwise where do you move to when the fed gives us a one size fits all solution to a problem that disallows any future competition of ideas. Gvok and sisko: All government recognized entities have deficit spending at one time or another. Corporations can go indebt after a major capitol project. Though they can spreadout the debt over a series of years, some companies write it off in a single quarter to get it off the books. They can also go into debt due to bqd management. Individuals can go into debt to increase assets (home ownership) future income generation (eduacation loans) or frivalous things like chargin dinner outs and eating out tooo often. The debt itself should not be that big a concern. It is not the largest when measured in terms of gross adjusted (1968) dollars or in terms of GDP. The latter should be the most important measure. The question is; can we grow the economy out of debt so it is less painful or will we have to cut spending (not just the growth of spending) to balance the budget? It's like asking if my education allows for a better standard of living even with my student loans. The answer seems to be yes. The economy is growing. Therefore, federal revenues will grow even with a lower marginal tax rate. ANOVA |
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| Minuet | Nov 29 2004, 06:55 PM Post #74 |
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I am assuming since all the wealthy people in those states have not moved to Texas that they are giving freely through the medium of taxes.
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| Hoss | Nov 29 2004, 06:57 PM Post #75 |
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I am not sure why moving to Texas has anything to do with it. Federal income taxes come out of your pocket no matter what state you chose to live in.If this is not the case, then I am really getting screwed. |
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Just a nitpick.
) For you to make a blanket statement that liberals are less generous then conservatives is an outright lie. They simply give thier money in a different form. And it is worth noting that most Blue states have higher populations. People are not leaving for the Red states in droves.
Federal income taxes come out of your pocket no matter what state you chose to live in.
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