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Dan Rather is Retiring
Topic Started: Nov 23 2004, 05:04 PM (907 Views)
doctortobe
Speak softly, and carry a 57 megaton stick!
DEFIANT- Doesn't matter what the mindset behind it was, a revolution is a revolution. I Mexico backed off, then they accepted the rebel's demands. No stealing took place.

somerland- No Texas was not taken militarily. Read up on history and enjoy.

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In their first election after Texas won its independence, Texans voted overwhelmingly in favor of annexation to the United States. However, throughout the Republic period, no annexation treaty was approved by both countries. When all attempts to arrive at a formal annexation treaty failed, the United States Congress passed—after much debate and only a simple majority—a Joint Resolution for Annexing Texas to the United States. Under the terms, Texas would keep both its public lands and its public debt, it would have the power to divide into four additional states "of convenient size" in the future if it so desired, and it would deliver all military, postal, and customs facilities and authority to the United States government. Neither this joint resolution or the ordinance passed by the Republic of Texas' Annexation Convention gave Texas the right to secede.

A popularly-elected Constitutional Convention met in Austin in July 1845 to consider this annexation proposal as well as a proposed peace treaty with Mexico which would end the state of war between the two nations—if Texas remained an independent country.

The Convention voted to accept the United States' proposal, with only one delegate dissenting: Richard Bache, Benjamin Franklin’s grandson. The Annexation Ordinance was submitted to a popular vote in October 1845.

Once approved by Texas voters, the proposed Annexation Ordinance and State Constitution were submitted to the United States Congress. The United States House and Senate, in turn, accepted the Texas state constitution in a Joint Resolution to Admit Texas as a State which was signed by the president on December 29, 1845 . Although the formal transfer of government did not occur until February 19, 1846, Texas statehood dates from the 29th of December.


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DEFIANT
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Hmmmmm....a Texas source, LOL.
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doctortobe
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Got any evidence to the contrary?
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DEFIANT
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doctortobe
Nov 25 2004, 03:56 AM
DEFIANT- Doesn't matter what the mindset behind it was, a revolution is a revolution. I Mexico backed off, then they accepted the rebel's demands. No stealing took place.


Roberry is stealing, if someone gives you their wallet while you have a gun. Do you think America was stolen or not? I mean Indians made treaties.

Anyway, what would be reiable evidence to you? a mexican source? That was history. Both histories we tell are true and do not contradict each other. A problem that occurs between them are the motivations each side had. Both "thought" they were defending their land.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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Nov 24 2004, 05:30 PM
Admiralbill_gomec
Nov 24 2004, 05:57 PM
The Sisko
Nov 24 2004, 04:30 PM
Tell that to 38, AB, Dwayne and Gabe amoungst several others who bash France whenever they get the chance.  It's getting really old.   :ZZZZZ:

Why not? The French deserve it after STABBING US IN THE BACK ON A NUMBER OF OCCASIONS SINCE WE SAVED THEIR MISERABLE A$$ES IN WWII.

<CENSORED> THEM!

:D

So how long is (or was) France supposed to be indebted to us after "we saved their miserable a$$es in WWII"? WWII ended almost 60 years ago. We (in the general sense) do seem to keep throwing WWII back in their faces a whole heck of a lot.

They have worked against us since the end of the war. Even 20 years ago they wouldn't let us overfly their airspace.

They are as important as something I scrape off my boot.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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DEFIANT
Nov 24 2004, 05:46 PM
Admiralbill_gomec
Nov 24 2004, 02:29 PM
Hawaii was annexed in what, 1899? Texas joined the union voluntarily.

This post has no real point or anything that was really mentioned. I'd like to point out that Texas was stolen from Mexico.

No, it was WON in a war. Big difference. Was the US stolen from England?
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Admiralbill_gomec
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somerled
Nov 24 2004, 09:08 PM
doctortobe
Nov 24 2004, 09:08 PM
On Texas, the people were citizens who rose up against the Mexican government.  That is a revolution.  Texas joined the US as a Republic, implying that they had their own government in place beforehand.  The US therefore did not steal Texas as much as they accepted stolen goods from another party.

As to Eastern Europe, one could apply the argument to either post WWI USSR or post Soviet Russia.  Fact was the borders of Russia used to extend all the way to Germany.

I thought Texas was actually annexed - by force of arms by the young USA.

No, and as usual you have it wrong.
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DEFIANT
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Admiralbill_gomec
Nov 27 2004, 04:54 PM
No, it was WON in a war. Big difference. Was the US stolen from England?

No, the U.S. was not stolen from England.
If you say Hawaii was annexed then so was Texas (not by the U.S. but by the fromer Americans).
Looking back, I still didn't get your point. Were you saything that because Hawaii was annexed that it was not a state that was once a nation?








And Hawaii is like a whole 'nother country :)
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doctortobe
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The Texans fought and won their independance. Then, as a free Republic, they signed a treaty to join the Union. Hawaii was taken under more militeristic terms by coup d'etat.

If one is to say that Texas was stolen from Mexico, then Mexico was in fact stolen from Spain, Canada from France, and Eastern Europe from Russia.
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Fesarius
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Doctortobe,

You stole that one away from me. ;)
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doctortobe
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And might I add that Europe and Asia were stolen from Greece.
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Fesarius
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For a moment I thought you were serious. :)
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doctortobe
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Oh I'm dead serious. Alexander the Great worked hard making that empire. How dare those people steal away those lands?
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Hoss
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Europe was stolen from the Neanderthals. I think that we should work really hard with DNA and stuff like on Jurassic Park and recreate the Neanderthals and then put them back in the caves of Europe and all the Homo Sapiens then have to leave. I guess we need to recreate the wooly mammoths and the ice age too. :headscratch:
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DEFIANT
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Nov 28 2004, 09:48 PM
If one is to say that Texas was stolen from Mexico, then Mexico was in fact stolen from Spain, Canada from France, and Eastern Europe from Russia.

No and I explained why. 38957, I never mentioned that Texas should be given back.
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