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| Dr. Noah | Nov 24 2004, 05:58 PM Post #61 |
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| Dandandat | Nov 24 2004, 06:07 PM Post #62 |
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Time to put something here
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Why they wont listen to me, so I would rather save my breath. Also this is not to sayFrance should not be criticized for other things their besides moral superiority complex. Things like their underhanded dealings in the oil for food venture. |
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| Dr. Noah | Nov 24 2004, 06:11 PM Post #63 |
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:lol: Don't you think the US has similar situations? |
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| 24thcenstfan | Nov 24 2004, 06:30 PM Post #64 |
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So how long is (or was) France supposed to be indebted to us after "we saved their miserable a$$es in WWII"? WWII ended almost 60 years ago. We (in the general sense) do seem to keep throwing WWII back in their faces a whole heck of a lot. |
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| ds9074 | Nov 24 2004, 06:30 PM Post #65 |
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So because of WW2 France must surrender entirely to the will of the United States? The nations of western Europe are not like the old communist states in the east used to be. We are not just puppet states of a superpower, we can take positions on issues. France took a different position and Americans throw a fit, pouring wine down gutters and changing the name of French Fries. You might not like the French Government position but they have a right to hold a different position, particularly when that position has widespread public support. What did you expect the French Government to do, fly in face of will of the people? |
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| doctortobe | Nov 24 2004, 06:33 PM Post #66 |
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Speak softly, and carry a 57 megaton stick!
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I think we just expected France to surrender and are surprised that they didn't.
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| ds9074 | Nov 24 2004, 06:34 PM Post #67 |
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Exactly, yes we are very grateful for the help the United States gave in the defeat of Hitler. We are also grateful for the help the USSR gave in the defeat of Hitler. It doesnt mean from then on we had to agree with everything Russia wanted. You make it sound like the USA might regret helping France because it doesnt feel that it had got a lot back from the French, yet I thought the USA was there to defeat Nazi Germany not to seek perpetual alligence for the nations of Europe. |
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| Hoss | Nov 24 2004, 06:34 PM Post #68 |
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Perhaps, if they were more honest and less snooty? Just a thought. I didn't see any American pooring Canadian beer down the gutter (well, not for political reasons
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| DEFIANT | Nov 24 2004, 06:46 PM Post #69 |
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This post has no real point or anything that was really mentioned. I'd like to point out that Texas was stolen from Mexico. |
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| doctortobe | Nov 24 2004, 06:58 PM Post #70 |
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Not stolen so much as they revolted. With that reasoning, you could say that Eastern Europe was stolen from Russia. |
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| DEFIANT | Nov 24 2004, 07:17 PM Post #71 |
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It was stolen. I'm not sure why you saw it as a revolution, but by definition, a revolution is a change. It may have appeared to be a revolution since they did not come from the outside, but were already living there. But they were guests. Mexico asked them to follow rules. They didn't. They were aware of the situation when they asked to be there. As of now, I am not trying to counter you. After all, we may agree on the facts. I merely want to know what your difference of steal and revolt are. |
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| DEFIANT | Nov 24 2004, 07:18 PM Post #72 |
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And I am not familiar with the Eastern Europe reference. Was this pre or post USSR? |
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| doctortobe | Nov 24 2004, 09:08 PM Post #73 |
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On Texas, the people were citizens who rose up against the Mexican government. That is a revolution. Texas joined the US as a Republic, implying that they had their own government in place beforehand. The US therefore did not steal Texas as much as they accepted stolen goods from another party. As to Eastern Europe, one could apply the argument to either post WWI USSR or post Soviet Russia. Fact was the borders of Russia used to extend all the way to Germany. |
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| DEFIANT | Nov 24 2004, 09:32 PM Post #74 |
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I didn't say the US stole texas, but the american mexicans there did. They liked the land and wanted to be there, Mexico had 3 rules for them 1. be catholic 2. no slaves and 3. something else (maybe i'll look it up- i believe it was to speak spanish). I know they did not follow those three rules. When those former americans were asked to leave, they fought back and said it was their land. The mexicans lost and Texas was accepted, but the they disputed the borders of Texas as being some the rio grande(texas claimed) or another more eastern river? (river x) (mexico claimed as border). The texans attempted to claim there territory and justify another dispute by crossing river x and camping out. Which created sympathy for the texans when they wee attacked unprovoked. The rest is history. anyway, when someone lets you in their home and sleep in a room provided you follow rules. you don't, then say you own the room, as well as the room next to it. then i'd call you a theif. sorry if my writing seems sloppy, it's as messy as my room. |
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| somerled | Nov 24 2004, 10:08 PM Post #75 |
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I thought Texas was actually annexed - by force of arms by the young USA. |
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