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Home - Official Review Thread; ***Warning - Spoilers***
Topic Started: Oct 22 2004, 06:41 PM (455 Views)
Minuet
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Time for our next episode.

Now that we got out of the situation they were left in last season I am really hoping that this series will start to move forward in the direction that most of us have been expecting.

Meet you all here after the show!
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Wichita
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First, I have to say that I would have forgotten to watch altogether had I not accessed SisterTrek and read 24's comments in the Tangent II thread just before leaving work. I probably would have stopped to shop.

As it was, I was 15 minutes late so I missed some things ....

1) Where is Trip's family? :shrug: I thought he had a large family and that his parents were still alive.

2) OK, I have to say it .... there's a least one physical characteristic that T'Pol got from her mother. :o

3) T'Pol apparently wears everything tight on AND off-duty.

4) When Archer was having his nightmare, I had assumed that the woman was an old girlfriend so I was surprised to see where they were sleeping. I thought the scene was hokey, but not really objectionable.

But just one thing ... I'm not seeing the chemistry there (Archer and whoever) or with Trip and T'Pol. Hoshi and Travis .... maybe. "Chemistry" in my book is Josh and Donna on "West Wing". A/? and T/T looked like they also had been mated as children and just reintroduced.

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Truthfully, it really wasn't a bad episode. I think my problem with it is that I wanted scenes of Earth in the first season .... and then the second season ... and then there was the third season :yuck: .....

No way could this episode live up to what I wanted to see.

It was OK.

Edit: One other thing ... Every commercial break, at least one of the commercials was a version of "Vote for Bush". An odd choice ... I think ... of where to spend advertising dollars unless they are simply carpeting the Cleveland area prior to the election. :unsure:
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bonja
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1) Where is Trip's family?  I thought he had a large family and that his parents were still alive.


I got the impression last season that Trip's sister was the only family he had.

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3) T'Pol apparently wears everything tight on AND off-duty.


This is a bad thing?



I thought it was a good episode. Low on special effects and lots of character interaction. The episode did seem to be missing the conclusion to each of its stories, though maybe I just need to rewatch it.
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Minuet
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I was actually pretty happy with this episode.

For once they concentrated on the characters instead of the action. It was great to see Archer feel some guilt over some of the things he did. I was really worried last year that he had seemed to degenerate into someone with no redeeming features. At least he mentioned guilt over the torture and the theft. He even had a nightmare!

As for T'pol and her mother - I thought the feature she got from her mother was her emotion. My goodness was her mother ever emotional for a vulcan :jawdrop: She actually showed that she liked Trip! I usually like Joanna Cassidy - but I thought her far too emotional in this role. As for the wedding - well, we know from some of the spoilers that have been posted that there is going to be a civil war on Vulcan. Maybe her husband will be killed off in one of those episodes so she can be free to pursue Trip.

Phlox's instinctive reaction was interesting. It seemed like he was afraid that he would hurt someone if it happened again. That part of the story needed a lot more fleshing out. When he was confronted in the bar why didn't someone mention that Phlox was part of the crew that saved earth?

Hoshi was underused as usual. One little scene with Phlox and that was it. I hope they give her more to do this year then that. I think the Voyager fans would recognize that scene as being a typical Kes pep talk scene.

I give this :) :) :) ;) out of 5 :) One of my highest ratings ever for this series. I see a lot more promise then last year's direction. I hope they continue with the character driven stories.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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I missed the first ten minutes after the opening scene... had to run to the back of the house, fire up the PC, and send something off. So, after Archer's speech to about ten minutes later, I'm clueless. Suddenly Trip and T'Pol are on Vulcan and Archer is climbing a rock. Then there is the hit you on the head "message" about diversity and tolerance (the bar scene). Side comment: What other weird manifestations can Phlox do? Maybe make other parts of his body inflate? I think that biiiig grin, shown in the premiere and never seen again, would have scared off the harrasser.

Of course there is the cliffhanger... did she or didn't she. That was a little disappointing.

I give it a 2.5 out of 5 (which for me is about as high a rating as I've given).
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Oct 23 2004, 08:35 AM
What other weird manifestations can Phlox do? Maybe make other parts of his body inflate?

:jawdrop: Inflate? What did Phlox inflate??!!

as for the big grin thing: He did it another time too.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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Phlox inflated his head, rather like a pufferfish inflates its body to frighten predators.

I only saw what I call the "Tony Blair grin" on Phlox during the premiere episode.
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This one felt more like "Trek" than any episode I've seen in a long time. I was a little disapointed with the treatment of Vulcans though. They all seem a little too emotional to me. But, over all I thought it was pretty good.
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The T'Pol, Tucker "B" story was a bit cliched.
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This definitely had the feel of a transitional or a bridge episode.

I have to agree with Gvok on the treatment of the Vulcans. They all seemed too emotional. I could understand T'Pol on this count more given her mother's comment to her (“Your emotions have always been close to the surface”). Kos, however, is another story (“I want you to be happy” :no: ). I recently watched an old tape of TOS' "Galileo Seven" and Spock is definitely a whole different kind of Vulcan compared to how they are treated on Enterprise (This is allowing for his possibly over compensating even).

Even, the handling of T’Pol’s mother being forced out of her job at the Vulcan Science Academy rang of pettiness. Seriously, would a culture that is so heavily based in the concept of logic take punitive actions against T’Pol’s mother for the former’s action involving the Vulcan listening post back in the first season (the one that reintroduced the Andorians)? This is up to the point, as indicated in the episode, of fabricating evidence to force T’Pol’s mother to resign her post in order to avoid an official investigation. Excuse me, but that sounds more Romulan than it does Vulcan.

The board of inquiry that Archer faced was another area where the Vulcans were badly handled. Oh, I know, Forrest called it a “debriefing” but it seemed far and away more of a demand that Archer explain his actions aboard the Vulcan ship in the Expanse.

No, Enterprise is still coming up short in how it handles Vulcans.

The part I actually liked best was Archer and his old girlfriend mountain climbing. He's having to deal with all the things he did and hates to have done over the past year. He is having to come to terms with the fact that Starfleet will never just be an exploratory agency but a military one as well. Here is a guy who will never find the center seat a comfortable fit. Kirk certainly did, so did Picard, Sisko and Janeway, but Archer is clearly another breed of cat here.

Phlox inflating his face. I’m sorry but to me it was more comical than frightening. I liked his scene with Hoshi, but it seemed out of character for him to decide to hide out aboard ship. Nice use of Mayweather and Reed in the bar though.

This episode was more of the type I think that we have come to expect from the series. I guess what it comes down to is that on its own merits it is not a bad show. In fact it could be quite good if it were not tied to the Star Trek universe. However the fact that it is supposed to be Trek means that it comes up short still when it tries to elaborate on the original and its previous sequels.
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I saw the first ten minutes during the weekend repeat.

When the Enterprise first met the non-traditional Vulcans in Season I, Trip mentioned practicing dancing with his brother (or brothers). It was a nice scene so it was something I remembered.

When Trip first heard of the attack on Earth, he went to Archer to find out more information. Archer asked him "Which one?" - which would imply at least two siblings if not two sisters.

Now, apparently, the rest don't exist. :shrug:
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This is Enterprise, don't let a little thing like continuity get in the way... :D :angel: :whistle: :doh:
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Overall this was a good episode - not great, but good.

I was glad to see more character focus. I agree with Minuet that it was nice too to see Archer express some guilt about his actions. It brought him a little more down to Earth (no pun intended).

Count me in with the people who have said all the Vulcans were too emotional. Not one of them seemed very Vulcan-like to me.

I half expected that the big reset took care of the chunk from Florida to Venezuela that got wiped out by the Xindi. In fact, it would have been plausible that no one ever heard of the Xindi on Earth. So I was somewhat surprised to see Archer's hero's welcome and that nothing was restored. I'm still wondering if the TCW is really over.

I was glad to see the positive exchange between Soval and Archer toward the end. It's time for Vulcans and Humans to start getting along better.

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Oct 24 2004, 05:50 PM
I recently watched an old tape of TOS' "Galileo Seven" and Spock is definitely a whole different kind of Vulcan compared to how they are treated on Enterprise (This is allowing for his possibly over compensating even).


I saw an episode of VOY last night and thought Tuvok made a very convincing Vulcan, certainly on par with Spock and Sirak. Why can't ENT get it right? Are they purposefully changing the Vulcans or is it just poor acting (or something else)?
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Is there a picture of Phlox inflating his head? I slept through it saturday night
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