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Kerry's Clinton Moment?
Topic Started: Aug 25 2004, 10:51 AM (204 Views)
Admiralbill_gomec
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Has John Kerry's "seared — seared — in me" Cambodia memory turned into his version of a "I-did-not-have-sexual-relations-with-that-woman" moment?

Why did he make up this story, and even use it as a statement during a Senate debate in 1986? I'm sure some of his supporters will say that this was the right thing to do because it was in support of something he considered dear (it was a discussion on the Contras of Nicaragua). But when is it right to make something up when the simple truth of "I do not support this because..." will do?
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Hoss
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The difference is that Clinton could get up there, tell bold-face lie after bold-face lie, and make it work for him even though everyone knew that he was full of it. I still don't know how he pulled that off.

I don't think that Kerry has that personality, he'll just come off as a dirt-bag.
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Dr. Noah
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You can send me my nickel for this later:

When the court defines sexual relations as sexual intercourse, it is not a lie for Clinton to say he didn't have sexual relations with Ms. Lewinsky because he didn't have intercourse with her. It's all how terms are defined by the court. Now the rest of us might define sexual relations to include more than that, but that is what was defined by the court.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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Funny, then why do men get sued for "lesser" contact, then? After all, it isn't sexual relations, right?
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Hoss
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Don't make me use my bare hands on you.
The Monica Lewinsky affair was just the icing on the cake after a lond presidency of decieptfullness and dishonesty, yet he made it work for him.
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Dr. Noah
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Men are sued for sexual harrassment when touching someone inappropriately. Don't see anything wrong with that. Nobody should be touched inappropriately (without their approval of course). 38, that's your opinion. Millions of Americans disagree.
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Aug 25 2004, 05:14 PM
You can send me my nickel for this later:

When the court defines sexual relations as sexual intercourse, it is not a lie for Clinton to say he didn't have sexual relations with Ms. Lewinsky because he didn't have intercourse with her. It's all how terms are defined by the court. Now the rest of us might define sexual relations to include more than that, but that is what was defined by the court.

Personal Response

I was going to say, that and $2 will buy you coffee at Starbucks but then I remembered you don't drink coffee ... and since I don't either, I have no idea if $2 will cover it.

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Admiralbill_gomec
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You can get a Starbuck's Coffee du Jour for less than two bucks, but that might just be here in Houston. There's one in my favorite Barnes and Noble.
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Dr. Noah
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Wow, I am really impressed you remember that Wich! Thanks anyway, but even if I did drink coffee, I wouldn't drink Starbucks! Loose leaf green tea all the way straight from SF Chinatown. Try the Dragon Well (Longjing) type, I toured the farm just outside Nanjing, according to their sales pitch, the very first spring crop isn't sold, it goes straight to Tienanmen Square, the entire spring crop stays in China, and foreigners only get the summer and autumn crops, but it's still the best green tea you can get. I have a little attachment to it since I got to tour the farm where it comes from. It was so beautiful. Rolling green hills surrounded by bamboo forrests, the clouds hanging just below the peaks of the hills and the intermitant soft, gentle rain.
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Minuet
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:offtopic:

Sorry about this, but I can't resist asking. Admiralbill - when I was in Houston I went to a couple of Chinese restaurants that looked at me liked I was nuts when I asked for green tea. Why isn't it available in Texas? :(
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Dr. Noah
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Acutally, if the Admiral doesn't mind, I think I can answer. In China, there are regional preferences for tea. In Southern China, green tea is usually the tea of choice, but in Northern China, it's jasmine tea. So the restaurants you went to were probably run by people from the Northern part of China.
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Minuet
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Isn't Jasmine a green tea? I think I tried asking for both green and jasmine anyways.

The Chinese people there seemed astonished that a caucasion would ask for anything but regular or iced tea. They simply didn't serve it in the restaurants at all. Houston is nowhere near as multicultural as Toronto, although I will say I learned a lot about Mexican food and culture while I was there :yes:
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Admiralbill_gomec
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Minuet
Aug 25 2004, 12:34 PM
:offtopic:

Sorry about this, but I can't resist asking. Admiralbill - when I was in Houston I went to a couple of Chinese restaurants that looked at me liked I was nuts when I asked for green tea. Why isn't it available in Texas?  :(

That's because you don't see green tea offered much here. Texans have a thing for "regular ol' iced tea." (Unfortunately, they also prefer it laden with a ton of sugar, too) You can, however, find green tea in Japanese restaurants.

I know of a few places that offer jasmine tea, and other "floral" teas, but only one or two that offer green tea. (Jasmine is a flower, not a tea.)
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Dr. Noah
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Yes, it is a flower, and it's served in tea many places in China. I had some with the actual blossoms in the cup. (They mostly don't bother with bags and crumbled dried up stuff)
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Minuet
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Unfortunately my husband is not a fan of Japanese food and I can't get him to go too often. I love sushi myself - as does my eldest daughter.

Anyhow - Green Tea is easy to get in Toronto and we have fabulous Chinese restaurants. Not to mention shopping areas and chinese malls (quite an experience - there is one HUGE mall in particular) And a Chinese supermarket near my home (in the Jewish neighborhood no less :) )
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