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| How To Earn a Purple Heart; Which injuries are medal-worthy? | |
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| Ngagh | Aug 24 2004, 04:32 PM Post #1 |
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| Hoss | Aug 24 2004, 05:13 PM Post #2 |
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This whole situation keeps reminding me of a M*A*S*H episode in which Frank Burns receives a purple heart for a shell fragment in the eye. Hawkeye later learns that he got an egg shell fragment in his eye in a mess hall mishap, and he made it sound like a combat injury to get a purple heart medal. Maybe the F stands for Ferret-face? :lol: |
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| Ngagh | Aug 24 2004, 06:05 PM Post #3 |
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I truely don't know about John Kerry's military records, and truely don't care, but does that mean that Kerry got 3 little boo-boos?
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| Minuet | Aug 24 2004, 06:15 PM Post #4 |
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^^^2 of them I can't speak for, but it seems generally acknowledged that at least one injury was fairly serious. The controversy comes with the automatic trip home that comes with 3 injuries. The argument goes (and I am not supporting this argument - just reporting it) that if 2 injuries weren't serious he should not have gotten the trip home. |
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| ANOVA | Aug 24 2004, 07:42 PM Post #5 |
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Last I heard, the Marines would not award you a purple heart for jumping on a grenade. Maybe my D.I told us that to keep us from being stupid. The other point is if a wound is self inflicted, it is not awarded a purple heart. Seems the question is whether at least one of the wounds occurred when there was no combat and due to the negligent handling of the mortar by a young self impressed LT. Still, as I have said about Bush's record, unless the government itself is going to dispute the record, I'll let the record stand. Kerry's problem is in the fact that he has had to withdraw remarks about his service which calls into question any other claim. ANOVA |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Aug 24 2004, 07:46 PM Post #6 |
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Actually, there was no "automatic" three injuries and you come home. Instead there was a process to allow those wounded in such a fashion to apply to come home. Kerry knew it. I noticed something... his actual time on duty in Vietnam was three months and twenty-seven days... doesn't that come out to about 39 days per "wound?" |
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| cptjeff | Aug 24 2004, 08:40 PM Post #7 |
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Swift Boat duty was extremly hazordous- you don't exactly have a inch thick wall of steel. these things were fast- that's really all they had going for them. they wern't too heavally armed, and a handgun could peirce that armor. injuries were probably pretty common. |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Aug 24 2004, 09:55 PM Post #8 |
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Um, Jeff... Swift boats haven't been used in 30 years. A handgun could not pierce the hull, and they were mostly used for coastal patrol. It is speculated that Kerry chose Swift boats BECAUSE they were mostly used for coastal patrol as opposed to river patrol, i.e., less hazardous. |
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| doctortobe | Aug 25 2004, 08:12 AM Post #9 |
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I wouldn't go as far as to say that any old booboo should get you a Purple Heart. I remember my Grandpappy telling me a story about how the tailgunner of his B-17 got a piece of flak lodged in the cushion of his seat that lit both cushion and his butt on fire. He managed to extinguish the flames after a bit of frantic movement, but he was denied the Purple Heart. Apparently he was pretty pissed off about that. |
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| gvok | Aug 25 2004, 11:30 AM Post #10 |
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Was doing coastal patrol less hazzardous than serving in the Texas Air National Guard? |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Aug 25 2004, 11:44 AM Post #11 |
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^^^^ What does that have to do with anything? George Bush didn't make up stories about his time spent in the Texas ANG. Nor did he write up his own action reports putting himself in for Purple Hearts. In addition, George Bush never testified before Congress concerning atrocities that didn't happen... and no testimony of his was ever broadcast to POWs in Vietnam while they were being tortured. Hmm, sounds like new material for a thread. This is not speculation, nor is this my opinion. John Kerry's false testimony (which he said was later "over the top") was used by North Vietnamese captors during torture sessions at the Hanoi Hilton. Has Kerry apologized? No. P.S. Ever fly an F102? It is a little harder than barking, "Right Full Rudder." |
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| Hoss | Aug 25 2004, 11:45 AM Post #12 |
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Is Bush claiming and basing his entire campaign of being a hero who served in Vietnam and faced all of the terrible hardships and danger? |
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| gvok | Aug 25 2004, 11:47 AM Post #13 |
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No. He isn't because he did not. |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Aug 25 2004, 11:55 AM Post #14 |
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Get over it already... we all know that Bush didn't go to Vietnam. We also know what John Kerry DID do, both there and when he got home! Do you want to talk about Winter Soldier, or his testimony before Congress, or his actions with Vietnam Vets Against the War, or do you foolishly want to close your eyes and hold your hands over your ears and pretend it didn't happen. Do you really want us to believe that you are a Kerry supporter rather than another of the ABB crowd? |
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| Dr. Noah | Aug 25 2004, 12:12 PM Post #15 |
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My grandpa earned a purple heart for a broken ankle he injured during the battle of Guadalcanal. He told me it never healed right because there were far too many other injuries and it was weeks before it was tended to. He walked with a cane the rest of his life, but to my knowledge, it was a closed break, and he didn't bleed. Do you think he didn't deserve that purple heart? |
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