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Sorry Bush, I don't buy it.; (Does anybody?)
Topic Started: Aug 23 2004, 10:26 PM (353 Views)
ImpulseEngine
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Bush calls for halt to Swift Boat veterans’ ads

Gee George, gullible me believes that you truly didn't like these ads. :hail: :rolleyes: I mean just because you waited until they are no longer airing, and just because you've reaped all the benefits you could from them by now, the point is you condemned them - even if it was eventually, right? [/sarcasm]

I wouldn't have minded if you hadn't condemned them at all. But you've done more to hurt your reputation with me than you've helped by condemning them now. It just underscores your disingenuousness on this matter. If you really wanted to condemn them, you would have done so a long time ago.

This condemnation wouldn't have anything to do with SBVFT member Elliott's self-contradictory statements would it? Or SBVFT member Larry Thurlow's obvious lies? Or SBVFT member Alfred French who accused Kerry of lying, but never witnessed the events he says Kerry is lying about? Or the total lack of credibility of the SBVFT organization? Or how about this?

Who does Bush really think he's kidding! Frankly, I'm insulted that he apparently thinks we can be fooled by this nonsense.
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Wichita
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Aug 24 2004, 03:26 AM
I mean just because you waited until they are no longer airing, and just because you've reaped all the benefits you could from them by now, the point is you condemned them - even if it was eventually, right? [/sarcasm]




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No longer airing???? According to whom????

Let's just say that would not be my experience.

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I wouldn't have minded if you hadn't condemned them at all.  But you've done more to hurt your reputation with me than you've helped by condemning them now.  It just underscores your disingenuousness on this matter.  If you really wanted to condemn them, you would have done so a long time ago.


Now you know why I have the opinion I have of John Kerry ... and THOSE ads are still playing daily (and hourly) in Ohio.

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ImpulseEngine
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Aug 23 2004, 11:35 PM
No longer airing????  According to whom???? 

I saw it here.

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More than a week after the ad stopped running, Bush said: “I think they’re bad for the system.” The president had ignored calls to condemn the commercial while it was on the air.


Wichita
 
Now you know why I have the opinion I have of John Kerry ...  and THOSE ads are still playing daily (and hourly) in Ohio.

I don't see the analogy. As I said I wouldn't have minded if Bush didn't condemn the ads at all. Correct me if I'm wrong, but to my knowledge Kerry hasn't condemned the equivalent liberal ones at all, let alone too late.
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24thcenstfan
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This is a convoluted issue. From what I am reading, Bush didn’t specifically condemn the Swift Boat ads at all. What he did was denounce 527’s and their political ads. The Swift Boat ads would be included in that group. CNN, White House and Press Gaggle.

To the issue of the ads still running...

Several sites are running the story by an AP correspondent by the name of David Espo. He stated:

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President Bush (news - web sites) on Monday criticized a commercial that accused John Kerry (news - web sites) of inflating his own Vietnam War record, more than a week after the ad stopped running, and said broadcast attacks by outside groups have no place in the race for the White House.


Also Myway Article and the NY Post (all are from the AP).

However, both CNN and FOX News lead me to believe the ads, or ad in question, are still airing.
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So liberals demand that Bush speak out against these commercials, he does, and now they blast him. There's just no pleasing some people. :news:
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Dwayne
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There's about as much proof that Kerry doesn't deserve his medals as there is proof that George W Bush was AWOL, so if Leftists are demanding pro-Bush folks accept the official reports from the US Navy on Kerry's conduct during Vietnam, the corollary is that Leftists also accept the official National Guard reports indicating Bush served honorably.
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Aug 24 2004, 03:43 AM
Wichita
Aug 23 2004, 11:35 PM
No longer airing????  According to whom???? 

I saw it here.

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More than a week after the ad stopped running, Bush said: “I think they’re bad for the system.” The president had ignored calls to condemn the commercial while it was on the air.


Personal Response

There is more than one ad. One has stopped running - likely because it was only designed to run for a certain period, but that is a guess on my part. The one using Kerry's Senate testimony is just starting and hasn't been pulled to my knowledge. (I had seen a major news networks program on it running within the hour of posting my message last night.)

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Now you know why I have the opinion I have of John Kerry ...  and THOSE ads are still playing daily (and hourly) in Ohio.

I don't see the analogy. As I said I wouldn't have minded if Bush didn't condemn the ads at all. Correct me if I'm wrong, but to my knowledge Kerry hasn't condemned the equivalent liberal ones at all, let alone too late.


On Sunday night, I watched Scarbourgh Country who quoted a lot of Russert's program so I don't know which of the two this was on originally.

Movingon.org has released an ad critical of President Bush's National Guard service. The Kerry spokesman present on Scarbourgh claimed that John Kerry had conemned the ad "within seconds.... WITHIN SECONDS" of its release. The host (Scarbourgh) said - (paraphrase) "But wait a minute - Kerry campaign had a news conference with Clark and Turner(?) where they said (he pulled out the transcript) attacking almost word for word as the Movingon.org ad did".

The spokesman said (paraphrasing) "That news conference was in the morning and the ad released later. Then John Kerry condemned the ad." - then repeating the "within seconds" comment. (He then went on to attack Bush's record himself during the rest of his response.)

He also said (and he is my only source for this) that John Kerry "way back in the spring" condemned the ads using the Hitler/Nazi references. He wasn't questioned on the accuracy of the statement by the host and the Republican spokeperson present wasn't given an opportunity to respond to that particular question for time considerations.

Personally, I have to question how John Kerry condemened anything "within seconds ... WITHIN SECONDS" unless there was coordination between the entity releasing it and his campaign. That comment from his spokesman seemed too "convenient" to me.

Doctortobe
 
So liberals demand that Bush speak out against these commercials, he does, and now they blast him. There's just no pleasing some people.


I saw something utterly bizaree on that note. Apparently if Bush specifically asks for the end of the Swiftboats ads and they end, it is proof of a connection between the campaign and the ads which is illegal.




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Admiralbill_gomec
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24 said what I was already planning to say... PRESIDENT Bush was calling for an end to all 527 organizations and their ads.

This turns out to be more of a win for him, since there are a lot more 527 organizations organized and run by Democrats who are against Bush.

By the way, NOT ALL Democrats are against Bush:

http://www.democrats4bush.com
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doctortobe
Aug 24 2004, 12:29 AM
So liberals demand that Bush speak out against these commercials, he does, and now they blast him.  There's just no pleasing some people. :news:

I would have to agree with this statement 100%. People are always looking for the edge to make their guy the saint while the other guy the devil, and if they cant find one, they make one.

and so, this wich is logical and right:

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There's about as much proof that Kerry doesn't deserve his medals as there is proof that George W Bush was AWOL, so if Leftists are demanding pro-Bush folks accept the official reports from the US Navy on Kerry's conduct during Vietnam, the corollary is that Leftists also accept the official National Guard reports indicating Bush served honorably.


will never happen. The left and the right should be ashamed of them selves for acting like children.
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Hoss
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Refresh my memory here IE, did Kerry condemn the propaganda and smear film Farenheit 911 or did he reward Michael Moore with a seat of honor and the DNC in Boston?

What's good for the teakettle is good for the teapot.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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Michael Moore had a seat of honor with former President Carter at the convention.
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somerled
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Big deal.

Grow up children.
Why so defensive of someone who is obviously not the right man for the job and who wouldn't know the truth if he was bitten by it ?

Is this a contest where the incombent and the wantstobe set out to destroy each other personally and to undermine each other's credibility ? , or does anyone actually discuss the politics and vision for the future both these guys may or may not have?
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Admiralbill_gomec
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IN YOUR OPINION he is not the right man for the job. For a majority of Americans, he is.
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Aug 24 2004, 10:19 AM
IN YOUR OPINION he is not the right man for the job. For a majority of Americans, he is.

We'll see about that one. :yes:
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