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Will this be Kerry's big miscalculation?
Topic Started: Aug 23 2004, 05:21 PM (284 Views)
Dr. Noah
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16 words? State of the Union?
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Admiralbill_gomec
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DO WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN? How many times must I say this to where it sinks into your thick skull.

THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE WORD "SOUGHT" AND THE WORD "BOUGHT." GET IT??

Here are the 16 words:

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“The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa .”


* A British intelligence review released July 14 calls Bush’s 16 words “well founded.”
* A separate report by the US Senate Intelligence Committee said July 7 that the US also had similar information from “a number of intelligence reports,” a fact that was classified at the time Bush spoke.
* Ironically, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, who later called Bush’s 16 words a “lie”, supplied information that the Central Intelligence Agency took as confirmation that Iraq may indeed have been seeking uranium from Niger .
* Both the US and British investigations make clear that some forged Italian documents, exposed as fakes soon after Bush spoke, were not the basis for the British intelligence Bush cited, or the CIA's conclusion that Iraq was trying to get uranium.

By the way, we are now officially :offtopic: :offtopic:
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Dr. Noah
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My whole point was, that those words were reported to be a clerical error rather than owning up to the fact that he said it and meant it.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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Still off topic, but who said it was a clerical error?
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Dr. Noah
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http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/07/13/cnna.wolf.rice/
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Admiralbill_gomec
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Okay, let's look that article:

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On Friday, CIA Director George Tenet took responsibility for allowing the statement to remain in Bush's address.


That doesn't sound like a clerical error. In fact, no where in that article does the word "clerical" or "error" appear.

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The president of the United States did not go to war because of the question of whether or not Saddam Hussein sought the uranium in Africa. He took the American people and American forces to war because this was a bloody tyrant, who for 12 years had defied the international community, who had weapons of mass destruction, who had used them in the past, who was threatening his neighbors, and who threatened our efforts to make the Middle East a place in which you would have stability and therefore not people with ideologies of hatred driving airplanes into the World Trade Center. That's why we went to war.

This 16 words came into the State of the Union from a whole host of sources. We used unclassified sources, like the British [white] paper. There were references to this in the National Intelligence Estimate. And the State of the Union was constructed on the basis of several different documents, all of which talked about efforts to acquire uranium in Africa.


I believe Dr. Rice has said it all.

Now, can we get back on topic?

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Admiralbill_gomec
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This from today's Wall Street Journal:

http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110005520

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The Kerry campaign, meanwhile, is still demanding that the president defend their man:

"Again the president did the wrong thing today,'' said Chad Clanton, a [Kerry] campaign spokesman. "He has refused to specifically condemn the smear campaign against John Kerry's military record.''

Has anyone stopped to ponder just how pathetic this is? For years we've been hearing from the Democrats that President Bush is a dummy, an illegitimate president, a liar, a military deserter, a "moral coward" and another Hitler--but now Kerry is begging Bush to use his moral authority to get him out of a fix that he himself created by running a campaign based almost entirely on "war hero" braggadocio.
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Dwayne
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You turkey!!! I was going to post that very paragraph from OpinionJournal.com.

I find this part most salient, "For years we've been hearing from the Democrats that President Bush is a dummy, an illegitimate president, a liar, a military deserter, a 'moral coward' and another Hitler--but now Kerry is begging Bush to use his moral authority to get him out of a fix that he himself created by running a campaign based almost entirely on 'war hero' braggadocio."
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Admiralbill_gomec
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Admiralbill_gomec
Aug 24 2004, 09:17 AM
Wait, there's more:

* Kerry received Purple Heart for wounds suffered on 12/2/68...

* In Kerry's own journal written 9 days later, he writes he and his crew, quote, 'hadn't been shot at yet'... Developing...

Something else that just appeared, that I actually missed.

Kerry's website lists his DD-214 form, which shows a Silver Star with a combat "V." The "V" stands for valor, and is NEVER awarded with the Silver Star. It can come with the Bronze Star, but it is implied by the award itself.

(For those who don't know, the DD-214 is your military Report of Separation.)

Was the combat “V” added by a sloppy clerk or a yeoman’s typo thirty years ago? Was someone pressured or persuaded to add it? If Kerry had nothing to do with the gratuitously added combat “V,” why didn’t he have his DD 214 corrected when he was separated from the Navy?

Which gives rise to the second disturbing question: If Kerry was not a party to the unauthorized “V,” why, for all these years, has he allowed his DD 214 to remain uncorrected and to repose on his website?

UPDATE: I just went to his website and the DD-214 form is now gone! As I said before, Good thing I have a copy!

http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/DD-214.pdf

Ooops!
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Admiralbill_gomec
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Dwayne
Aug 24 2004, 01:56 PM
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You turkey!!! I was going to post that very paragraph from OpinionJournal.com.

I find this part most salient, "For years we've been hearing from the Democrats that President Bush is a dummy, an illegitimate president, a liar, a military deserter, a 'moral coward' and another Hitler--but now Kerry is begging Bush to use his moral authority to get him out of a fix that he himself created by running a campaign based almost entirely on 'war hero' braggadocio."

Sorry Dwayne :) :P
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Dandandat
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Time to put something here
Admiralbill_gomec
Aug 24 2004, 04:01 PM

UPDATE: I just went to his website and the DD-214 form is now gone! As I said before, Good thing I have a copy!

http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/DD-214.pdf

Ooops!

Bill all I get when I click that link is a "page not found".



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oh you where showing us, that that page was missing, not the copy you made. - Host the copy
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Admiralbill_gomec
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Dandandat
Aug 24 2004, 03:30 PM
Admiralbill_gomec
Aug 24 2004, 04:01 PM

UPDATE: I just went to his website and the DD-214 form is now gone! As I said before, Good thing I have a copy!

http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/DD-214.pdf

Ooops!

Bill all I get when I click that link is a "page not found".



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oh you where showing us, that that page was missing, not the copy you made. - Host the copy

I can't host it, but I can send it to you! The juicy part is at the bottom of Page 2.

http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/DD214.pdf

Edit... try this one, until they get rid of it!
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