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| Minuet | Aug 24 2004, 03:12 PM Post #16 |
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And other countries don't have the same safety issues? Sorry, but that sounds very selfish to me. Hey send them all to Canada, Britain, Australia, etc... Just so long as the US is safe. |
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| Hoss | Aug 24 2004, 03:29 PM Post #17 |
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The USA is the primary target of the islamic terrorists. Other countries do not have the same safety issues as the USA. Perhaps Britain is a close second, but they are free to take whatever measures are necessary to protect their populace. |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Aug 24 2004, 03:44 PM Post #18 |
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Min, I don't think that Canada was attacked on September 11th, 2001. Canada is not "The Great Satan." 38 is right in that other countries have the right to take whatever measures they need to take... why can't we? |
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| Minuet | Aug 24 2004, 03:56 PM Post #19 |
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I guess you are both unfamiliar with the bombing of Air India Flight 182 Just to bring you up to speed a bomb was planted on a flight out of Vancouver. Many Indian-Canadians were killed on that flight. I am not trying to downplay the importance of 9/11 - but I find you are both being very inward looking and are not seeing that these things happen elsewhere as well. And don't bother telling me that a few hundred don't compare to a few thousand. Senseless deaths are still senseless, no matter where they occur. |
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| Dwayne | Aug 24 2004, 04:15 PM Post #20 |
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And it can be argued that because Canada and the West did nothing substantive about that attack in 1985, they unwittingly incouraged the Pan Am 103 bombing over Lockerbie, Scotland in 1988. |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Aug 24 2004, 04:16 PM Post #21 |
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Okay, then why should they be allowed here in the US and not in Canada? Canada can make its own provisions for dealing with refugees. So can we. I don't remember Emma Lazarus saying, "Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she. With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled terrorists yearning to kill the infidel, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. I'm sorry if this keeps some legitimate refugees out, but as I've said, times have changed. What if one in a hundred was a terrorist, especially if he/she came from one of those war torn countries. |
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| Minuet | Aug 24 2004, 05:33 PM Post #22 |
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Excuse me, but could you please point out where I said that the US should allow refugees and Canada should not. Hmmm, I thought so. I didn't say it. What I did say is that the US isn't the only country affected by terrorism. Canada didn't close it's borders after the Air India bombing. And I don't think the US should change it's ways because of 9/11. If you change your ways then the terrorists win. Especially in thier home countries where they could possibly take over and make things even more dangerous for the free world. |
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| Minuet | Aug 24 2004, 05:41 PM Post #23 |
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I have not said that substantive actions should not be taken. Just that this is one suggestion I do not agree with - for the reasons stated above. Closing borders means refugees have no where to go. Interesting that Admiralbill alluded to the words on the Statue of Liberty. Here for all of you are the correct words in thier entirety
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| Dandandat | Aug 24 2004, 05:55 PM Post #24 |
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Agreed, how much of America are we willing to sacrifice to safe guard America? Our history of immigration is a staple to our success, why allow the terrorists destroy that too. |
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| Hoss | Aug 24 2004, 06:19 PM Post #25 |
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I'm just suggesting closing immigration from a select few countries, not closing immigration all together. Our economy couldn't tolerate ending all immigration, we sit at a National Average of 2.1 fertility (flat line, derivative = 0). |
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| Minuet | Aug 24 2004, 06:21 PM Post #26 |
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^^^ My concern is those "select few countries" are the ones who need your help (and ours in Canada) the most. Like Sudan. |
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| Dwayne | Aug 24 2004, 06:25 PM Post #27 |
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I never said you did ... I'm just making a general statement which I felt was a corollary of your comments about the 1985 bombing. The point is a different tact must be taken from that of the past. Diplomacy does not work with people who want to kill you as their end goal and ultimate objective. |
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| Minuet | Aug 24 2004, 06:37 PM Post #28 |
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I don't disagree with that Dwayne. Do you have some suggestions? I would start with checking out student visas VERY carefully before they are issued, a point already made by 38957. I would keep very careful tabs on those students - where they go, who they meet, etc... And no flight school training allowed
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Aug 24 2004, 10:01 PM Post #29 |
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Why is it that America always has to take the refugees? (Just a blunt question.) |
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| ds9074 | Aug 25 2004, 01:19 AM Post #30 |
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Its not just America that takes refugees, we have many people comming to Britain to seek asylum. Some are genuine in fleeing pesecution, some are here to start a better life but try to use the aslyum system to gain entry. Often enough we ask the question 'Why is it that Britain always has to take the refugees?', people camp on the French coast trying night after night to get across to Britain. I dont know why they do that, perhaps its the language, perhaps the culture of our nation as opposed to the French, perhaps its our history. Those that are truely fleeing persecution we welcome. Its an odd thing but I actually feel a sense of pride that people feel we are such a great nation they will try hard to reach us when they could claim asylum in France instead. Its like the people who I saw weaping with joy when they were told they were eligable for British passports, to them it was a precious gift, to me a birthright. I makes you realise how lucky you are to have the freedoms you have. As for stopping terrorists by restricting entry I dont think it would work. A determined terrorist will find a way round security measures like that. Remember there were al-Qaeda cells in Europe. All you need to do is enter one of those countries, become a citizen with say a British or German passport then go over to the USA as a tourist. Or you could go to Canada and slip across the border from there. You cannot seal your borders to someone who is totally determined, all you achieve is penalising innocent people. |
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