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Retiring Republican Congressman Blasts Iraq War
Topic Started: Aug 19 2004, 08:57 AM (669 Views)
Dandandat
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Admiralbill_gomec
Aug 19 2004, 10:55 AM
REMEMBER 9/11!

It is obvious that congressman hasn't.

How did you come to that conclusion? Just because a man has an opinion other then yours does not mean he is forgetting 9/11. He may simple think the best way to vindicate 9/11 and prevent the next 9/11 is not being accomplished by the war in Iraqi.
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Dandandat
Aug 19 2004, 09:55 AM
What does this prove? There are a lot of people who think the way he does. Is it because he is a republican? As in if a republican jumps ship then the party "must" be wrong. He is just one man, and I know a lot of republicans that do not agree with the war in Iraqi , it changes the situation little form the way it was yesterday.

There are some people on this board who think that if you disagree with Bush and the invasion of Iraq that you must be a "leftist", uninformed, or Anti-American. I just like to give examples of people who do question the invasion and clearly do not fit into any of these categories.
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Admiralbill_gomec
Aug 19 2004, 10:55 AM
24thcenstfan
Aug 19 2004, 08:53 AM
Speaking of "cracks in the facade" <--such a lovely phrase being bandied about these days.  :lol:

Thanks for the link Gvok.  I wouldn't be surprised if more Right leaning individuals eventually come to the same conclusion.  Due to strangle hold party politics has on its own members, we will probably have to wait until they retire to hear about it though.

24, instead of your quote by Ghandi, you might consider this one:

REMEMBER 9/11!

It is obvious that congressman hasn't.

Hmm...seems I struck a nerve with you AB. Otherwise, you wouldn't be trying to hit this man "below the belt" as it were.

As far as me changing my Sig, I thought about adding, "REMEMBER 9/11!" (with attached message from me off course), but I have a feeling I would be accused of mocking 9/11 instead of the intended audience. So I think I will pass. ;)

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gvok
Aug 19 2004, 10:08 AM
There are some people on this board who think that if you disagree with Bush and the invasion of Iraq that you must be a "leftist", uninformed, or Anti-American. I just like to give examples of people who do question the invasion and clearly do not fit into any of these categories.

On the contrary ...

If you simply disagree with Mr. Bush and in entering Iraq, then you simply disagree.

But if you claim Mr. Bush went into Iraq and Afghanistan to enrich his corporate buddies, and claim Mr. Bush wants to keep the poor poor and the rich rich, I'll call you Leftist.

And if you claim Mr. Bush said Iraq was an imminent threat, as well as claim America sold Iraq WMD's while simultaniously claiming we've found no WMD's, I'll call you uniformed.

And if you claim Mr. Bush is a NAZI and that America is imperialistic, I'll call you anti-American.

You can cite this retiring congress-critter and I can cite Zell Miller, and I think I can show you more examples of democrats crossing party lines to support Mr. Bush on this matter than you can show republicans that support John Kerry on this matter.
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I'm sure there are people of all sides who supported/disagreed with the actions taken in Iraq. It has suprised me how it has been protrayed as a clean split between the two parties. Here we had opposition from all parties to the war, we had traditional Conservatives marching with Socialist Workers against the war, and we had support from all sides as well. It wasnt just a simple left/right issue.

Dandandat
 
Just because a man has an opinion other then yours does not mean he is forgetting 9/11. He may simple think the best way to vindicate 9/11 and prevent the next 9/11 is not being accomplished by the war in Iraqi.


I think that is a brilliantly fair statement. Too often if you disagree with a policy of the current US administration you are told you are living in a "pre-9/11 world". Thats not true and we should remember that those attacks didnt mean democracy and the right to hold different opinions was suspended. Al-Qaeda didnt succeed in that respect.
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ds9074
Aug 19 2004, 10:54 AM
I'm sure there are people of all sides who supported/disagreed with the actions taken in Iraq. It has suprised me how it has been protrayed as a clean split between the two parties. Here we had opposition from all parties to the war, we had traditional Conservatives marching with Socialist Workers against the war, and we had support from all sides as well. It wasnt just a simple left/right issue.

Yes, you're right, it's not a simple left-right issue.
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Admiralbill_gomec
Aug 19 2004, 10:54 AM
Minuet
Aug 19 2004, 08:46 AM
Admiralbill_gomec
Aug 19 2004, 10:27 AM
D) He's angry with the party because he hasn't had the support he wants.

The guy is retiring. What support does he need? :shrug:

He could be retiring because he didn't have the support of the party. Pols who don't do much are usually allowed to wither on the vine. I'm not tearing the guy down, I'm giving another possible explanation.

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After all Bill did try to tear down the guy by saying he didn't have party support


(What was it you were saying about picking fights yesterday, Min? How is what I said tearing down someone?)

Ok, maybe my choice of words (tear down) wasn't perfect.

However, offering a "possible choice" in that manner is a weak argument IMO. If you do not have any evidence to back up that type of claim it should not be offered as a "possible choice". It just looks, in the words that some here like to use, like a "pathetic" grasp at an explanation.
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gvok
Aug 19 2004, 10:52 AM
Minuet
Aug 19 2004, 09:44 AM
Correct me if I am wrong - but I think Gvok was being facetious. After all Bill did try to tear down the guy by saying he didn't have party support - Gvok was just trying to give the guy credit for meaning what he said.

Thank you Minuet. Of all the people on this board you are truely one of the most fair and balanced. (I'm not being facetious in this post BTW).

I don't agree with this statement. There are many fair minded people on this board. Please don't try to flame with a comment like this.
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gvok
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Minuet,

I did say "one of the most fair" minded. That means there are others here as well, no? How was that a flame?
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Dandandat
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ds9074
Aug 19 2004, 11:54 AM
Dandandat
 
Just because a man has an opinion other then yours does not mean he is forgetting 9/11. He may simple think the best way to vindicate 9/11 and prevent the next 9/11 is not being accomplished by the war in Iraqi.


I think that is a brilliantly fair statement. Too often if you disagree with a policy of the current US administration you are told you are living in a "pre-9/11 world". Thats not true and we should remember that those attacks didnt mean democracy and the right to hold different opinions was suspended. Al-Qaeda didnt succeed in that respect.

There is another end to this that I think it worth mentioning. There is also merit in the idea that one should know when to shut up in their protesting, when it is clear that an action is going to be taken regardless and the protesting can only help make things worse. Knowing when to keep your mouth shut is just as important as knowing when to protest.
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Hoss
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Of all the people

you are truely one of the most

Kind of contradictory. "Of all the people" implies that this person is above all in this respect but "one of the most" implies one of a group that is above all in this respect.

Just goes to show that anything you say can be nitpicked to death. :lol:

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Aug 19 2004, 12:05 PM
Of all the people

you are truely one of the most

Kind of contradictory.  "Of all the people" implies that this person is above all in this respect but "one of the most" implies one of a group that is above all in this respect.

Just goes to show that anything you say can be nitpicked to death. :lol:

I don't want to offend the off-topic people by continuing this, but "of all the people" means everyone here and "one of the most" means she is one of the most of everyone. So I guess I disagree with your analysis 38. I certainly disagree that my intent was anything other than to compliment Minuet. But now I'm starting to regret that I did.
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Hoss
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I know, I was just having a laugh at how we get all wrapped up in semantics and such here. It is as though we are all walking on egg shells. It wasn't a cut at you. I know what you meant in your original post.
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Okay. Agreed. :)
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Minuet
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Ok, I guess I am walking on eggshells myself as an administrator. Thanks for the compliment, but I don't want to be put above the other administrators and moderators. I may have been wrong - but I took the remark as a comment on the moderation.

I wanted to make clear that I feel the moderation here is mostly fair. All of us have made some mistakes, because we are human - but we all try to do our best to remain fair in our moderation.

As for other posters - frankly Gvok, they don't have to be fair. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. All we ask is that everyone use courtesy.
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