| We hope you enjoy your visit. You're currently viewing our forum as a guest. This means you are limited to certain areas of the board and there are some features you can't use. If you join our community, you'll be able to access member-only sections, and use many member-only features such as customizing your profile, sending personal messages, and voting in polls. Registration is simple, fast, and completely free. Join our community! If you're already a member please log in to your account to access all of our features: |
| Ol' Jimmy sure knows how to pick a winner | |
|---|---|
| Tweet Topic Started: Aug 19 2004, 05:26 AM (405 Views) | |
| Dwayne | Aug 19 2004, 04:44 PM Post #16 |
|
Profanity deleted by Hoss
|
First off, I'm not relying on exit polls alone in reaching my conclusion, but then I know you're smart enough to know that. Second, I don't use leftist as an insult, I use it as a description just was someone might you conservative, republican or rightist as a description. And third, I never said that all leftists agree on all points, I merely stated that one leftist is a natural ally of another leftist. |
| Offline | Profile | | Quote | ^ |
| Admiralbill_gomec | Aug 19 2004, 04:50 PM Post #17 |
|
UberAdmiral
|
I have to disagree somewhat, Dwayne. There's a difference between being say, a Tony Blair leftist (please folks, no comments about how conservative Blair is... he isn't) and a Hugo Chavez hardline Communist. One would not be the natural ally of another. Chavez is a natural ally of Fidel Castro and Kim Jong Il, not Tony Blair. The first three are totalitarians who quash freedoms. The last is just a big government nanny state supporter. |
| Offline | Profile | | Quote | ^ |
| Minuet | Aug 19 2004, 04:56 PM Post #18 |
|
Fleet Admiral Assistant wRench, Chief Supper Officer
|
^^^ Thank you Admiralbill. And, that in a nutshell is why I found the comment to be insulting. Words have meaning. Please choose yours more carefully Dwayne. |
| Offline | Profile | | Quote | ^ |
| doctortobe | Aug 19 2004, 05:25 PM Post #19 |
|
Speak softly, and carry a 57 megaton stick!
|
Dwayne, to be fair, using your line of thought would mean that you would be a natural ally of Hitler. |
| Offline | Profile | | Quote | ^ |
| Dwayne | Aug 19 2004, 05:33 PM Post #20 |
|
Profanity deleted by Hoss
|
Well, I'd have to disagree by saying that Chavez is not a Communist and that many American leftists find Chavez quite acceptable.
And for many leftists I should be allied with Hitler. For many leftists Mr. Bush is Hitler incarnate. All that aside, your analogy rests on the premise that Hitler was a rightist and not a quasi-leftist does it not? |
| Offline | Profile | | Quote | ^ |
| Minuet | Aug 19 2004, 05:49 PM Post #21 |
|
Fleet Admiral Assistant wRench, Chief Supper Officer
|
Administrative Response Dwayne - you are digging the hole deeper and deeper. Per your own words some, leftists might align you with Hitler. But the key word is some - not all. You statement about natural allies is stating that all leftists are natural allies. I get that from the fact that you automatically called DS9074 a natural ally without giving him the benefit of asking him what he thought of Chavez's policies. If that is not what you meant then next time ask instead of labeling. Personal Response Back to the topic at hand. Dwayne - if you can call into account the results of an election in another country are you not opening the doors to having the results of the 2000 election questioned. Please note that I am not questioning the results of your election - however I am questioning the slippery slope of hypocrisy you are going down where you accept exit polls unquestionly in one instance, but not in another. Don't forget, per the article, Carter and his people got different results from thier informal exit poll then the polling company. |
| Offline | Profile | | Quote | ^ |
| Dwayne | Aug 19 2004, 06:11 PM Post #22 |
|
Profanity deleted by Hoss
|
Reread the IHT article, Carter did not take exit polls.
As well, I did say the following, "In a close race, I'd agree, exit poll results should not be trusted, but when exit poll results are diametrically opposed by a large margin to 'official tallies', then I tend to think something is amiss," so any attempt to claim some sort of hypocrisy on my part vis-a-vis the 2000 election is pure bunk. |
| Offline | Profile | | Quote | ^ |
| Minuet | Aug 19 2004, 08:47 PM Post #23 |
|
Fleet Admiral Assistant wRench, Chief Supper Officer
|
From your article in the Guardian Unlimited. I might add that the article also gave compelling reasons to believe the exit poll conducted by Penn, Schoen & Berland was possibly biased.
|
| Offline | Profile | | Quote | ^ |
| ds9074 | Aug 20 2004, 01:54 AM Post #24 |
|
Admiral
|
I dont know enough about the regime to say whether I would support it or not. If it is a Communist regime along the lines of China, Cuba or N. Korea (in order of extremity), then I wouldnt be a natural supporter. I might be on the left but I dont support Communism. However, it was described in one article I read as akin to the post war Labour Government in Britain of Attlee. In other words a socialist government. If so I would be cautiously in favour, although I would still have reservations about that as being too left wing for my liking. I'm a Liberal, which in Britain actually places me in the centre. |
| Offline | Profile | | Quote | ^ |
| Dwayne | Aug 20 2004, 07:18 AM Post #25 |
|
Profanity deleted by Hoss
|
And you wrongly assume that was the only exit poll taken. |
| Offline | Profile | | Quote | ^ |
| Minuet | Aug 20 2004, 07:57 AM Post #26 |
|
Fleet Admiral Assistant wRench, Chief Supper Officer
|
^^^Show me the others |
| Offline | Profile | | Quote | ^ |
| Dwayne | Aug 20 2004, 01:45 PM Post #27 |
|
Profanity deleted by Hoss
|
Well, I can find many articles that talk about more than one exit poll results, but cannot find a list of those exit polls. The only exit polling talked about in the news is the one that the Chavez regime claims is fraudulent. |
| Offline | Profile | | Quote | ^ |
| Minuet | Aug 20 2004, 01:54 PM Post #28 |
|
Fleet Admiral Assistant wRench, Chief Supper Officer
|
Please link me to one of those articles then. I need some proof before I will accept that there were other exit polls other then the Carter group's informal poll and the Penn, Schoen & Berland poll. |
| Offline | Profile | | Quote | ^ |
| Dwayne | Aug 20 2004, 02:21 PM Post #29 |
|
Profanity deleted by Hoss
|
As I said, all the articles I find that mention other exit polling, don't give specifics.
If you can find a list of those different organizations providing the exit polling, I'd welcome it, but as I have already stated, I can only find mention of other organizations other than Penn, Shoen and Berland Associates. |
| Offline | Profile | | Quote | ^ |
| Minuet | Aug 20 2004, 02:33 PM Post #30 |
|
Fleet Admiral Assistant wRench, Chief Supper Officer
|
I read that passage differently then you. To me it says that there were early exit polls by Penn, Shoen and Berland Associates, and then there were other polls throughout the day by the same company. There is no indication in that passage that the later polls were by a different group. |
| Offline | Profile | | Quote | ^ |
| Go to Next Page | |
| « Previous Topic · Politics and World Events Forum · Next Topic » |



3:24 AM Jul 11