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Sistertrek Bush Approval Poll
Topic Started: May 24 2004, 12:47 PM (989 Views)
Intrepid2002
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UNGH!
Dwayne
May 24 2004, 06:53 PM


You're a partisan, plain and simple.

and you aren't!?!?

I've got to admit I'm partisan and proud!
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Intrepid2002
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UNGH!
benetil
May 24 2004, 07:58 PM


Meanwhile, I'm poised to hear more "black and white", "good vs. evil" rhetoric from our President in a few minutes. Yes - I'm saying there is a BIG difference between the way President Bush is handling and how President Clinton would have handled Iraq.

I disapprove of President Bush's view of the world. I disapprove of the way he is handling the situation in Iraq. I hope that he (Bush) loses the election in November.

I listened to his speech and looked intently at his face. Mega dittos to the makeup artist! Thumbs up!

Bush pulled the rug from under my feet again. I too, was expecting the right wing mantra but was pleasantly surprised. He must have a different speech writer this time around. He sounded clearer to me and he made it a point to MAKE points. He presented an outline and remember folks he has a couple more speeches to make so don't get too excited about this one.

I was hoping for more answers but I guess I'll have to wait and listen to the whole speech in increments of 4 or 5, or at least until the end of June.

I rate this speech a :huh: :huh: :huh: out of :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: .
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gvok
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Wow. Lot's of great debate and opinions. And AdmiralBill wanted to close the poll. For shame! :D
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ds9074
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I disaprove. If I could vote against him I would. He has damaged the reputation of the United States and streched her resources both military and financial to take down Saddam only to increase instability in the region (Saudi could still be a problem).

The oil price is at an all time high and the recovery of the US economy is based on borrowing - high private sector borrowing due to low interest rates and high public sector borrowing due to tax cuts and spending increases.

Moreover his war on terror has only been partially successful, Bin Laden is still at large and al-Qaeda is still active as was shown in Madrid. Many of his policies for countering terrorism have been counterproductive in my opinion.

Finally I simply dont like his politics, I am after all on the left of centre.
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Intrepid2002
May 25 2004, 12:21 AM
benetil
May 24 2004, 07:58 PM


Meanwhile, I'm poised to hear more "black and white", "good vs. evil" rhetoric from our President in a few minutes. Yes - I'm saying there is a BIG difference between the way President Bush is handling and how President Clinton would have handled Iraq.

I disapprove of President Bush's view of the world. I disapprove of the way he is handling the situation in Iraq. I hope that he (Bush) loses the election in November.

I listened to his speech and looked intently at his face. Mega dittos to the makeup artist! Thumbs up!

Bush pulled the rug from under my feet again. I too, was expecting the right wing mantra but was pleasantly surprised. He must have a different speech writer this time around. He sounded clearer to me and he made it a point to MAKE points. He presented an outline and remember folks he has a couple more speeches to make so don't get too excited about this one.

I was hoping for more answers but I guess I'll have to wait and listen to the whole speech in increments of 4 or 5, or at least until the end of June.

I rate this speech a :huh: :huh: :huh: out of :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: .

I had intended to watch it, but unfortunately forgot about it until it was almost over. It's funny how you can forget something that is such a big priority. I mean I find Bush's speeches to be completely enthralling! (:no:) I realized it 45 minutes after he began his speech and was absolutely devastated! So devastated that I... well, still haven't read the transcript. :rolleyes: I suppose I'll have to drag myself over to whitehouse.gov eventually and read it so I can keep up with his [strike]rhetoric[/strike] wonderful plans for our country. :sick:

The good news: For the first time, I kept my appetite during the whole time he spoke. :yes:
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Admiralbill_gomec
May 24 2004, 09:04 PM
What do west African farmers grow that American farmers grow?

Maize and cotton mostly, there is little diversity. That's why it has such a big impact on their economies.
Dwayne, I do NOT single out the Bush Administration, less alone America. Other countries are just as bad, in fact I could tell you about dutch 'conditional support programmes' that would make you cry. The question was "Do you approve of President Bush's performance as President?" The reason I keep going on about Africa is because Mr. Bush raised such high hopes. He was the first american president in ages (perhaps the very first) to visit Africa and he made a clear commitment and promises to help. I'm very disappointed because he has done little to nothing to help, on the contrary.

Wichita
May 24 2004, 06:24 PM
I would be interested to hear what you think of England's supposed plan to refuse to turn over materials or allow their officials to testify at Sadaam Husseins' trial if the Iraqi tribunal (which they helped set up) even considers the death penalty as a possibility.

First of all, Admiral, I think this is just a matter of trust or distrust in the ICC, there seems to be a lot of suspicion and prejudice. Dwayne, you have a good point but has Mr. Bush ever explained why he unsigned the ICC treaty? Mr. Clinton didn't have a problem with it, nor do any other western leaders.
Wichita, I'm not real sure. Many governments including my own refuse to assist in anything that could lead to a death penalty because it's considered barbaric. In this case, an iraqi dictator put to trial in Iraq, I feel the British should respect iraqi law and cooperate.

Admiralbill_gomec
May 24 2004, 09:04 PM
Just what is "Palestinian" soil? All they have is what Israel has given them. There IS no Palestine... it was just a made up name used by the British a century ago. President Bush was right on the money (100% correct) in saying "Get rid of Arafat and elect your own leadership".
Wichita
May 24 2004, 06:24 PM
Having read the Mideast Road Map, I am confused by this statement.

I was talking about the West Bank and Gaza. I think the MiddleEast Road Map actually had a chance but the last bilateral agreement with Israel did not follow the Road Map.

Admiralbill_gomec
May 24 2004, 09:04 PM
President Bush is upholding patent laws because those pooooor impoooverished 3rd world countries are MAKING contraband versions of the drugs. Word up, bubba... you do NOT have a right to a drug or a patent. This is called capitalism. Third world countries were involved in THEFT. Is that wrong?

Wichita
May 24 2004, 06:24 PM
That's covered by the World Trade Organization. It's not possible for him to take action on it unilaterally. That issue has been resolved now.

Ok, my point was 25 million people in Africa are dying from AIDS alone and during his visit there Mr. Bush promised to help. Wichita, I admit I wasn't sure about the president's actual powers in this. Of course companies need to make a profit in order to survive but "allowing" U.S. companies to make a 40% net-profit on essential drugs reminded me more of a ferengi than the samaritan he pretends to be.

Admiralbill_gomec
May 24 2004, 09:04 PM
I've already discussed the environment. We have the most industrialized, yet one of the CLEANEST countries on Earth. Stop presenting mindless pablum and give actual fact.

Wichita
May 24 2004, 06:24 PM
... I would be much more impressed by that effort if I didn't know that some of the nation signatories hadn't themselves exported their dirtiest industries to 3rd world nations themselves.

Wichita, I hadn't thought of that but it's true, countries like Germany, Belgium and France excel in exporting pollution to poor countries. I'll take back my remark about "other western nations spending billions to solve by american industries". I guess it's also possible reports of Mr. Bush bringing down the number of environmental laws in the U.S. and the bad reputation of the U.S. oil companies abroad influence my view on american industries in general. Nevertheless, you can hardly claim Mr. Bush has done much for the environment.

Admiralbill_gomec
May 24 2004, 09:04 PM
Do you have a problem with abstinence? It works EVERY TIME IT IS TRIED. How do YOU know that abstinence-until-marriage won't work in Africa?

I already explained why it doesn't work in Africa. Why don't you tell me why you think it does.
I think you're referring to the abstinence-only success in Uganda. That's 1 country out of 14 so I would hardly say it works every time. Actually abstinence was a small part of the campaign in Uganda which said: "Abstain. If you can't, be faithful. If you can't do that either, use a condom". In fact, other influences had more impact than the abstinence program.

Admiralbill_gomec
May 24 2004, 09:04 PM
I know you come from a permissive culture, but don't put your own set of mores on another.

Dwayne, Admirall: I do NOT have a problem with abstinence by itself. My complaint with Mr. Bush was he actually may prevent effective aid for Africa by adding ideological and religious amendments to his AIDS program which don't work. To be frank, I don't trust his motives either. Mr. Bush seems more concerned with winning votes by this than with actually helping people.

Admiralbill_gomec
May 24 2004, 09:04 PM
As for agriculture, you are trying to equate apples and oranges (please, hold your applause for that winning joke). Our agriculture bill does NOT subsidize exported crops, ...

No applause, it's not true. $ 57 billion is paid directly to U.S. farmers to make up for low prices. America's 25,000 cotton farmers alone collected $ 4 billion from Mr. Bush (or rather the tax-payers) in just one year.

Admiralbill_gomec
May 24 2004, 09:04 PM
... while the EuroUnion directly BANS imports of certain US goods based on faulty junk science. WORSE, you Euros have threatened African countries who can directly benefit from these GM crops... this is tantamount to telling them to starve. What do you have to say to that?

I don't want to be seen defending the EU because it's just as bad but it's not true african countries would actually benefit. If African nations accept GMO's from the U.S. it could eliminate their market for organic foods, which is a growing and lucrative market. Genetically engineered crops are slightly more productive at best, and they have not been adequately tested for long-term unintended consequences, they could pollute the gene pool of their homegrown crops. It is also known some GM seed can NOT be used for next year's planting.
As a result of all this africans would not own their seed when they use patented seed, it puts african farmers out of business (once more) and african nations would become USA-dependent customers. That's dirty business.
As I recall, correct me if I'm wrong, last week the main (only?) american company involved abandoned it's GM program due to pressure from within the U.S. I don't know if Mr. Bush had any say in this?

Minuet
May 24 2004, 09:31 PM
Be a bit fair Dwayne. He is in Europe and it is probably very late there. I am sure he will be back tomorrow. Not everyone is going to post for your convenience.

Thank you. It was 3 o'clock in the morning, I was NOT happy with the alarm this morning :sick:
I must say, I don't know any other board where members have such strong opposite opinions and yet manage to stay 'fairly' polite (thinks of TenForward in disgust..)
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Justin
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I don't usually post about politics, so I will keep my response short: Whether we like Bush or not, he is our President, and we have to give him respect. I hate people who trash him. They have no sense of loyalty or respect for anyone with a higher authority (and Bush has, mind you, been thrust into a difficult situation since the beginning of the 9/11 attacks), and this severely diminishes the pride and honor of this country.

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I think you're referring to the abstinence-only success in Uganda. That's 1 country out of 14 so I would hardly say it works every time


Uganda is the only African nation whose leadership embraced the program, against the better judgement of european social engineers, other African nations embrace aid money that can be siphoned off into private accounts. Take a look at Mugabi's track record.

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Jean-Luc Picard
May 25 2004, 07:47 PM
I don't usually post about politics, so I will keep my response short: Whether we like Bush or not, he is our President, and we have to give him respect. I hate people who trash him. They have no sense of loyalty or respect for anyone with a higher authority (and Bush has, mind you, been thrust into a difficult situation since the beginning of the 9/11 attacks), and this severely diminishes the pride and honor of this country.

What diminishes the pride and honor of the country? This poll? Bush bashing in general? :headscratch:
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