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President falls off bike; Kerry makes comment
Topic Started: May 23 2004, 10:43 PM (624 Views)
Fesarius
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Perhaps you replied when she was in the middle of an edit?

24,

That could be. CaptainProton did this to me too, and I answered perhaps one of the most difficult VOY trivia questions of the millenium! ;)
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Wichita
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It's in the wrong thread.

Intrepid made the comment on page three of this thread.
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Dandandat
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Time to put something here
24thcenstfan
May 24 2004, 08:55 PM
Dandandat
May 24 2004, 12:41 PM
Intrepid2002
 
Democrats are constantly on the defensive an the republicans are constantly on the offensive with their insults and insinuations.
:headscratch:

I am confused too. I just went through this entire thread and nowhere do I find the comment (made by Intrepid) you quoted Dante. :unsure: Perhaps you replied when she was in the middle of an edit?

Yes I’m sorry - I should have provided the link - This was in the Knock it off thread

http://invisionfree.com/forums/SisterTrek/...?showtopic=2555

I just found it funny how the two things contradicted them selves.
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Intrepid2002
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UNGH!
Dwayne
May 24 2004, 08:22 PM
Gabe
May 24 2004, 05:19 PM
Admiralbill_gomec
May 24 2004, 08:15 PM
Dandandat
May 24 2004, 10:41 AM
Intrepid2002
 
Democrats are constantly on the defensive an the republicans are constantly on the offensive with their insults and insinuations.
:headscratch:

Indeed! :headscratch:

Prove it Intrepid, this time in plain english, not that jive they call street talk.

If Intrepid2002 could actually defend the comment, I think the defense would have already been given.

WTF does that mean DWAYNE?

I am so so sorry that I can't be here 24/7 to defend my posts for you. My schedule doesn't allow it. So if there's a freaking pause between posts that lasts more that 3 hours, get over yourself and wait patiently in the corner till I get to you.

A really simple example is this message board. There isn't a liberal here that hasn't been insulted one way or another for expressing an opinion outside the comfort zone of certain conservatives of the board. (Before anyone pulls out the quotes just listen for a minute) There are many people with other points of view different from mine and I enjoy the discussion. IF I COULD defend myself? WTF is that DWAYNE? What are you saying? What are you insinuating? I come here knowing I'm in the minority and all I want from the likes of you is a decent conversation so I can maybe learn something from you and maybe you can maybe figure out that YOU and your kind do not have the monopoly on truth. Did I answer fast enough for you?

It truly feels like people who think like me are constantly on the defensive on this board. Snide remarks like, "If Intrepid2002 could actually defend the comment, I think the defense would have already been given" instantly put me in defensive frame of mind. :frust: There are a lot of times when I want to get as ugly as you and I just bite my tongue because I don't want to sound ignorant, no not even to you DWAYNE.

So from now on be a man and ask me directly if you have a question about my comments or else just STFU :banghead: I will defend and state my position to you once. If you don't get it the first time then it isn't my fault you don't get it.

Flame away and before I get cited for being offensive, I do know it goes both ways, but I rarely see it happening on this board.

the end

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Intrepid2002
May 25 2004, 05:31 AM
A really simple example is this message board. There isn't a liberal here that hasn't been insulted one way or another for expressing an opinion outside the comfort zone of certain conservatives of the board. (Before anyone pulls out the quotes just listen for a minute) There are many people with other points of view different from mine and I enjoy the discussion. ...... I come here knowing I'm in the minority and all I want from the likes of you is a decent conversation so I can maybe learn something from you and maybe you can maybe figure out that YOU and your kind do not have the monopoly on truth.

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Intrepid, being highly offended by your comments, I originally wrote a scathing reply. Then, however, I realized that you are right.

Certain comments made by members of the left are outside the comfort zone of me ... and, of course, "my kind". :P

For example, I find the suggestion that Person A is guilty because his father or grandfather committed Action B (which wasn't a crime then and isn't a crime now) to be outside my comfort zone. In the America I grew up in a person was responsible for their own actions - not those of family members.

Also outside my comfort zone is the suggestion that Person X is guilty solely because he once worked for Company Y and the person making the suggestion can't supply an example of criminal activity on the part of Company B. Getting a pension is not a crime - if it were, I am truly screwed because Ill be getting 3.

Telling a member of a minority group not to "get uppity" is outside my comfort zone as well. It may only be an "Ohio thng", but I'm an Ohian. I belive in free expression.

Saying that Person D was the spawn of satan for taking Action F, but that Person E is a saint for taking nearly the same action is also outside my comfort zone - especially when the reasons given for the difference in viewpoint are factually incorrect.

Rather than go on with examples, let me simply say this. Since I am assuming that you don't consider a member of the right disagreeing with a member of the left to be an insult by itself, I will promise this. I won't call the left anything that they haven't called me first. ;) :P

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Dandandat
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Intrepid2002
May 25 2004, 01:31 AM
It truly feels like people who think like me are constantly on the defensive on this board.

Sorry Intrepid, but I believe you are a victim of small amount self centrism (don’t get mad – that was not an insult, I just couldn’t think of any other words that fit, every one does the same thing)

What I mean is that people often feel that they are on the defensive, like the world (or this board) is out to get them. What they fail to see is the other side. In my experience on this board the Left dish it out just as good as they get it, also If you add up the regular posters who are left and who are right you will get ruffle an equally number. Further both sides have regular posters who go out of their way to be rude and insulting, and both sides have regular posters who are polite. Both sides have people that wouldn’t know their ass form their elbow, and both sides have people quite inept in political matters. In short this board as a whole is pretty moderate. You are not being picked on any more then the war mongering brainwashed redneck conservatives on this board are.

I know many people on this board don’t believe this (guess because of my support of the president and the war), bat as some one who truly tries to be in the center I don’t see either side getting it any more then the other - here, or in life in general.
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I think perhaps from my view point there is a slight right wing bias to these boards but that is mainly because of where I am standing. In my opinion Europe on the whole is further to the left than the US, so while you may be in the centre by US standards Dandandat by European standards you may be to the right of centre. Hope people understand what I mean by that. By European standards my positions are generally in the centre ground, yet to a US audience I know they would seem left wing.
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... I will promise this. I won't call the left anything that they haven't called me first.

Rose,

Would that we could all be this wise, and civil. No message Board is perfect. It's just that this one is much better than many of the rest. I hope we can keep it that way.
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Wichita
May 25 2004, 07:31 AM
Intrepid2002
May 25 2004, 05:31 AM
A really simple example is  this message board.  There isn't a liberal here that hasn't been insulted one way or another for expressing an opinion outside the comfort zone of certain conservatives of the board. (Before anyone pulls out the quotes just listen for a minute)  There are many people with other points of view different from mine and I enjoy the discussion.  ......  I come here knowing I'm in the minority and all I want from the likes of you is a decent conversation so I can maybe learn something from you and maybe you can maybe figure out that YOU and your kind do not have the monopoly on truth.

Personal Response

Intrepid, being highly offended by your comments, I originally wrote a scathing reply. Then, however, I realized that you are right.

Certain comments made by members of the left are outside the comfort zone of me ... and, of course, "my kind". :P

For example, I find the suggestion that Person A is guilty because his father or grandfather committed Action B (which wasn't a crime then and isn't a crime now) to be outside my comfort zone. In the America I grew up in a person was responsible for their own actions - not those of family members.

Also outside my comfort zone is the suggestion that Person X is guilty solely because he once worked for Company Y and the person making the suggestion can't supply an example of criminal activity on the part of Company B. Getting a pension is not a crime - if it were, I am truly screwed because Ill be getting 3.

Telling a member of a minority group not to "get uppity" is outside my comfort zone as well. It may only be an "Ohio thng", but I'm an Ohian. I belive in free expression.

Saying that Person D was the spawn of satan for taking Action F, but that Person E is a saint for taking nearly the same action is also outside my comfort zone - especially when the reasons given for the difference in viewpoint are factually incorrect.

Rather than go on with examples, let me simply say this. Since I am assuming that you don't consider a member of the right disagreeing with a member of the left to be an insult by itself, I will promise this. I won't call the left anything that they haven't called me first. ;) :P

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Suffice it to say I got your point although I had to dig deep to find it. ;)

When you think about it, we're saying the same thing but from slightly different positions. How can we be feeling the same thing? Must be the people we're around.

Clarify for me one point. What is your kind? :wow:

Uppity? Have I become a Boston Democrat? :sick:

Lesson learned. There will be a lot of things said from now until October that will be outside my comfort zone. You all will just have to learn to live with it and my new offensive stance. :P ;)

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Telling a member of a minority group not to "get uppity" is outside my comfort zone as well.  It may only be an "Ohio thng", but I'm an Ohian.  I belive in free expression
:hail:

That's all I ever wanted, a healthy discourse of varied opinions and suggestions.
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Dandandat
May 25 2004, 09:45 AM
Intrepid2002
May 25 2004, 01:31 AM
It  truly feels like people who think like me are constantly on the defensive on this board.

Sorry Intrepid, but I believe you are a victim of small amount self centrism (don’t get mad – that was not an insult, I just couldn’t think of any other words that fit, every one does the same thing)

What I mean is that people often feel that they are on the defensive, like the world (or this board) is out to get them. What they fail to see is the other side. In my experience on this board the Left dish it out just as good as they get it, also If you add up the regular posters who are left and who are right you will get ruffle an equally number. Further both sides have regular posters who go out of their way to be rude and insulting, and both sides have regular posters who are polite. Both sides have people that wouldn’t know their ass form their elbow, and both sides have people quite inept in political matters. In short this board as a whole is pretty moderate. You are not being picked on any more then the war mongering brainwashed redneck conservatives on this board are.

I know many people on this board don’t believe this (guess because of my support of the president and the war), bat as some one who truly tries to be in the center I don’t see either side getting it any more then the other - here, or in life in general.

*bleep* *bleep* it Dandandat!

I hate it when you're right. ;) :wow: :banghead: I wish there was a third party that was called Centrist. Whatever happened to your Dante Party. At this point in time, I'm ready to sell my soul to Ross Perot. :frust:

Now time for my graceful exit. Someone has to pay the taxes. :bolt:
Be back to defend my honor like a disgruntled Klingon in the wee hours of the morning ;) :lol:
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Intrepid2002
May 25 2004, 03:06 PM
Suffice it to say I got your point although I had to dig deep to find it. ;)

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Well, that would be because I am a deep thinker. :whistle:

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When you think about it, we're saying the same thing but from slightly different positions.  How can we be feeling the same thing?  Must be the people we're around.


Well, that would be because we are right. ;)

Actually I think that many are in the center (or slightly to the right or left). Then one issue or reaction will affect them personally. They react and others react and before you know it everyone is firmly in their own corners.

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Clarify for me one point.  What is your kind?  :wow:


I was hoping you would clarify it for me. :shrug: When you used it with Dwayne, I assumed you meant Republicans. :o

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^^^ Intrepid won't be on till later, per her comments. However, I took her comment about "your kind" to mean the more outspoken, beligerant style that Dwayne uses. She certainly did not mean to include all Republicans. She was pretty pissed at his comments.

To be honest - I could name 2 or 3 people on this board from each side of the spectrum that do get beligerant and rude when confronted. Unfortunately we seem to have an argument going here because of this small number of people. The majority of people on this board, from both sides of the political spectrum, are polite and well mannered. I think we all need to be careful that we don't start getting insulting and rude to a mild mannered poster just because thier POV happens to agree with another, more beligerant poster.

I hope that makes sense.
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Perfectly. I don't like the tag-team approach either, and would hope we all could rise above that if it becomes tempting to do otherwise. :yes:
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