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The Nostradamus angle, chilling?; Or a Pantload? Some things to consider
Topic Started: May 22 2004, 09:46 PM (350 Views)
Minuet
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somerled
May 23 2004, 12:49 AM
Anyone who takes anything Nostradamus is supposed to have said about the future needs a serious reality check.

No - I will not read the link as it is a total waste of my time and I am not the least bit interested in anything that might be there.

Pity you didn't read Dwayne's link. It actually supports your point of view on this subject. However, you seem far more interested in being insulting then proving any of your points.
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Fesarius
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Just look at Star Trek. Some could say that they predicted things like cell phones and ionic propulsion. Was Gene Roddenberry a fortune teller, or was he just able to see a pattern in human development and extrapolate where it could possibly lead?

Doctortobe,

I think Gene might have been lucky, but I still can't explain the 'advent' of the compact (visual!) disc some fourteen years before it was created....
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somerled
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You are confusing extrapolations of historical trends or patterns with soothsaying.

Note that extrapolation of data is fraught with danger and uncertainty - the further forward you try to extrapolate (in your layman's terms) predict , the more likely you will be wrong.

Predicting international, even local events, even 2 or 3 years out is a highly speculative percuit. People and economies have a habit turning around and doing things that weren't expected - a case in point is 911.

Minuet:
Well in that case maybe I'll have a look at it.

Fes and Doc:
I believe lots of the stuff Gene used as futuristic knicknacks and geewizzery came from other earlier SF movies, and some from cartoons (Batman for instance) and had been suggested by some of the SF greats well before anyone dreamed up Star Trek. Gene and his special effects people just made them look more real and brought them to the publics attention.

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Fes and Doc:
I believe lots of the stuff Gene used as futuristic knicknacks and geewizzery came from other earlier SF movies, and some from cartoons (Batman for instance) and had been suggested by some of the SF greats well before anyone dreamed up Star Trek. Gene and his special effects people just made them look more real and brought them to the publics attention.

That's certainly true with regard to the transporter (seen in The Fly in 1958 or so.) I don't recall ever having read or seen a compact disc (or visual disc / DVD--choose the name you wish) before 1969. I'd be interested to learn if it was in sci-fi before then.
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To shift the discussion back on topic...

If a prophecy does not occur, does that mean that it is a hoax, or if it was a warning to prevent a disaster, does that seem that the prophecy was successful in preventing a calamity?

I'm not saying that I believe in Nostradamus' prophecies, many of Nostradamus' quatrans can be squwed in translation and interpatation, yet why are some of his prophecies accurate?

-Sammi
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No somerland, I am saying that soothsaying IS extrapolating patterns and history mixed with a selective memory and large ego so that you only remember the times you were right. It is easy to see a number of paths that some subject could take, if you keep guessing randomly about what will happen, you will be right some of the time. Soothsaying is as simple as that.

Ngagh- Like I just said, people can have strong feelings that something is going to happen. If it comes to pass, then that is all the better.
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How about a Voyager Movie
Ngagh
May 23 2004, 12:06 PM
To shift the discussion back on topic...

If a prophecy does not occur, does that mean that it is a hoax, or if it was a warning to prevent a disaster, does that seem that the prophecy was successful in preventing a calamity?

I'm not saying that I believe in Nostradamus' prophecies, many of Nostradamus' quatrans can be squwed in translation and interpatation, yet why are some of his prophecies accurate?

-Sammi

Exactly. Not every thing in this world is true or false, fact or fiction, black or white.
There are MANY areas that are gray in life, left for us to elucidate for ourselves.
I often do not like to position myself with absolutes, labels, rules...... there are so darn many laws and rules in life already.

Searching for more answers and exploring alternate possibilities sometimes reveals items of great importance that have been long overlooked.
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Ngagh
May 23 2004, 10:06 AM
I'm not saying that I believe in Nostradamus' prophecies, many of Nostradamus' quatrans can be squwed in translation and interpatation, yet why are some of his prophecies accurate?

If you throw enough darts at a board at one time, you stand a good chance of hitting close to a bullseye. Make enough guesses using vague language that can be extrapolated in a variety of ways and you stand a chance of sounding like you have made a relatively accurate prophecy..
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I think the whole Nostradamus thing is a load of rubbish. Whenever something significant happens somebody comes out with one of Nostradamus's prophocies saying that it predicted it. Nobody ever does this before the event however. I think they are sometimes written by people after the event.

It's very easy to predict the future when you use such vauge language. I've been told that telephone fortune tellers are given training in how to use such language and how to follow where their clients lead them, and because we all have the same basic needs and desires it's easy to give an accurate reading.
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