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| The Nostradamus angle, chilling?; Or a Pantload? Some things to consider | |
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| Sgt. Jaggs | May 22 2004, 09:46 PM Post #1 |
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How about a Voyager Movie
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What exactly does Nostradamus mean by this interpretation? Out of the country of Greater Arabia Shall be born a strong master of Mohammed... He will enter Europe wearing a blue turban. He will be the terror of mankind. Never more horror. Here, Nostradamus says that a man from Greater Arabia will lead his forces on an invasion through Europe. This invasion will start a third world war that will be far worse than all the other wars put together (Guentte). When will all this take place? In one quatrain Nostradamus gives us an exact date in which the war will be well under way. In the year 1999 and seven months From the sky will come the great King of Terror. He will bring back to life the King of the Mongols; Before and after war reigns. Nostradamus predicts the war will begin shortly before the year 1999 (Roberts 191). He also tells us how long the war will last. Nostradamus predictions The war will last seven and twenty years. (Guentte) Nostradamus says that the war will be so terrible that the world will come face to face with final annihilation. Here, he implies that the war might involve some kind of horrible weapon, possibly nuclear. Nostradamus tells what the first target will be. The sky will burn at forty-five degrees. Fire approaches the great new city. In this phrase, Nostradamus refers to a great city in the new world of America near forty-five degrees latitude. Experts agree this could only be New York. By fire he will destroy their city, A cold and cruel heart, Blood will pour, Mercy to none. (Guentte) Although Nostradamus 's predictions for our future sound frightening he does give us some hope by telling us how this third world war will end. He says it will end as a result of an unexpected alliance. When those of the Northern Pole are united, In the East will be great fear and dread... One day the two great leaders will be friends; Their great powers will be seen to grow. The New Land will be at the height of its power: To the man of blood the number is reported. The new land was a common term used by Nostradamus to refer to what we now call America. The countries of the northern pole could be Russia and the United States. We have recently seen the breakdown of Communism in Russia and an increasing friendship between Russia and the U.S. (Reader's Digest 515). Was Nostradamus a fraud or a prophet? There are some who say that the seeming accuracy of his quatrains are a result of their facile interpretations (Guentte). Still, more than four hundred books and essays about his prophecies have been published since his death in 1566, along with a great number of articles and other commentaries, in numerous languages (Randi 5). Even skeptics pay careful attention to Nostradamus' predictions of the three anti-Christs. If Nostradamus truly predicted Napoleon and Hitler we should take heed of his words about the future. Perhaps we can prevent the dismal fate Nostradamus has predicted (Guentte). |
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| Dwayne | May 22 2004, 10:17 PM Post #2 |
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I think you should read this before I comment or anyone comments for that matter: http://www.angelfire.com/empire/nostradamus/aoa.html |
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| somerled | May 22 2004, 11:49 PM Post #3 |
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Anyone who takes anything Nostradamus is supposed to have said about the future needs a serious reality check. No - I will not read the link as it is a total waste of my time and I am not the least bit interested in anything that might be there. |
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| 8247 | May 22 2004, 11:56 PM Post #4 |
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Apparently we look like this now
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^^^^ There's a shock. You disagreeing with ANYTHING that ANYONE has to say. |
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| Swidden | May 23 2004, 12:20 AM Post #5 |
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Adm. Gadfly-at-large; Provisional wRench-fly at large
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I don't buy into the idea of Nostradamus' predictions. I rank them up there with advanced Atlantean civilizations and ancient astronauts... |
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| doctortobe | May 23 2004, 12:31 AM Post #6 |
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Speak softly, and carry a 57 megaton stick!
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Ancient astronauts are not a myth! John Glenn was very old when he went up to space last! |
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| lister | May 23 2004, 12:32 AM Post #7 |
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If you write something using obscure language about the future in 400 years you are bound to get some thing to match what you wrote. Some people belive that Jules vern predicted the future in his writings but like Nostradamus they are nothing but fiction |
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| doctortobe | May 23 2004, 12:53 AM Post #8 |
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Speak softly, and carry a 57 megaton stick!
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Just look at Star Trek. Some could say that they predicted things like cell phones and ionic propulsion. Was Gene Roddenberry a fortune teller, or was he just able to see a pattern in human development and extrapolate where it could possibly lead? |
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| somerled | May 23 2004, 01:40 AM Post #9 |
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More likely - inventors and technical people saw the gadgets and used by Kirk and Co and said to themselves - hey ! why not , lets see if it's possible and set out to invent the technology or something like it. This is why good science-FICTION (not the crap that seems so popular now that's full of magic and religious pseudo-science) is so seductive. The very best science-fiction has within it a good proportion of science fact and possible (not so far fetched) potentialities and extrapolations. |
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| doctortobe | May 23 2004, 02:09 AM Post #10 |
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I seriously doubt that. More likely they saw the possibility of making people's lives easier while making a pretty penny at the same time. That has been the principle motivation of inventors since time began. The telephone was already invented at the time Star Trek came out. It is MUCH more likely that inventors saw the possibilities that could arise from being able to carry the phone around with you. It is true however that some inventors have based their inventions directly off of Star Trek, but this is because of the name recognition and the "coolness" factor more then the desire to implement Star Trek technology itself. Oh, BTW, did you know that Star Wars, one of the greatest pieces of sci-fi to come out in the past century, is fundamentally based on the very psuedo-religion that you say makes sci-fi stink? Go figure. |
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| somerled | May 23 2004, 02:21 AM Post #11 |
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Well Doc - re Star Wars - that's a no-brainer. Star Wars is aimed more at kiddies and less sophisticated teenagers - the old good guy (who is very very good - saintly even) and the bad guy (who wares black and is very very nasty - and everyone loves to hate) metaphores , the Force and all that crud - and little brainpower is required to understand it. But it is still fine entertainment if you just allow yourself to become immersed in it for it's entertainment value only. If you like cool gadgets - you'll love ultra-compact thermographc cameras, nano-technology (picking up and moving actual atoms) and robotics, to name a few that I've been studied or used. |
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| doctortobe | May 23 2004, 02:27 AM Post #12 |
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Same could be said about Enterprise or Voyager, no real religious undertones in them. It would seem to me that religious aspects of a sci-fi piece need not necessarily detract from it. It is the quality of the scripts that determines the quality of the piece. |
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| somerled | May 23 2004, 02:33 AM Post #13 |
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Maybe this thread should be shifted. Well Doc - yes and no. I watch these (when they are on) for their entertainment value - nothing more - and overlook the religious / political undertones as I am not interested in being that analytical about them. |
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| doctortobe | May 23 2004, 03:29 AM Post #14 |
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Then that is a matter of personal taste. Back on subject. I believe that people who believe that they can see the future merely are able to see certain patterns in history that seem to repeat themselves. For instance, I have previously stated my theory about the balance of power and how all of history can be boiled down to two scenarios. Given that, I am able to predict what will happen in the world in the future. Actually, given the progression of history since my saying this, it would seem that history is proving me right. Was I able to predict the future? In a sense, but I was merely reading into a pattern. It is just like expecting summer to be warm and winter to be cold. Another aspect of future telling requires you to have a very picky memory. Take Ted Rall for example. He prides himself with being able to predict how the Bush Administration would screw up. However, he has been wrong a great number of times more then he has been right. He sticks to his guns however by conveniently forgetting the times he was wrong and focusing only on the times he was right. Given this, it is easy for one to believe that they have time and time again predicted the future without ever being wrong. Ted Rall isn't a good example though. He does not actually believe that he can look into the future, he's just stupid. But there are a good many people that follow the line of thinking that I have mentioned. All in all, humans are programed to see patterns. Look at any cloud and your mind will conjure up a similar image. Look at a sequence of number and, providing the sequence has a pattern, you will see it. When you look at those computer generated 3D pictures, you initially see only a segment of the picture. As you begin to find out what the picture is however, your mind automatically fills in the blanks and the picture rapidly comes into focus. |
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| Sgt. Jaggs | May 23 2004, 07:12 AM Post #15 |
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How about a Voyager Movie
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I would not see it as doom and gloom or the propogation of fear and hoax to allow for the possibility of a visionary or a prophet like this to have existed. If not 100% accurate his writings at least can offer us some things to think about. Problem is, none have predicted disasters in advance of their occurance. Or have they and no one was able to see them? |
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