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Prisoners!! What to do with them; Prisoners!! What to do with them
Topic Started: May 21 2004, 11:50 PM (243 Views)
Coby
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I'm a NCO in the USAF and I do not condon what a few soilders did. I think that they are Idiots. But I have never heard any complains about how our POW are being treated. The press says that what the soilders did are againt the geniva convetion. Well not one country that we have been to war with comply with the geniva convetion our POW's are Raped, Starved, Betten, and alot more. In the news lately they have been talking about the contracter that was captured and beheaded; Well I saw the vadio of that guy getting his head cut off!!!! Well they didn't chop it off with a large sowred they used what look like a eight inch knife and had to saw it off back and forth the contracter was still alive when they did this and died very harshly. They guy that did this said they did it becuase they were mad at the way there prisoners were being treated. They sent the body home but didn't return the head. As far as I'm conserned all troist should be killed in the worst maner around. But we are the USA and we have to set an good example for the rest of the world. :realmad: :angry:
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somerled
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Not withstanding that, if your forces resort to the same treatment, then you lower yourselves to that level, and that's the beginning of the rot.

If it becomes accepted practice on your forces' part then that's start of slide towards barbarism and savagery and all the accepted international conventions (which have been developed over the centuries) might as well be thrown out the window). Do you want that ?
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doctortobe
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Um, somerland, if the Geneva convention is broken by one side, then the other side has no obligation to uphold it. We have merely been doing so because we think it is the "right" thing to do. However, given that the insurgents have broken the Geneva convention, we should legally be able to do whatever we want to with POWs that are connected to the insurgents.

Luckily for them, it would be a political nightmare if we did. The insurgents should count themselves lucky as the military only cares about flak from Washington, we don't give a flip about the wellbeing of people who shoot at us. Would you?
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somerled
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BS !

Irrespective of what the other side does - if your country is a signatory it is obligated to act in accordance with these conventions of behaviour.

There are no exemptions. Not to comply is war crime.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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Let me guess, you had a college class on this too...
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somerled
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No - but I have taken the time to watch several public affairs programs recently where these issues have been discussed and where QC's have been asked their legal opinions.

Programs like ABC's 4Corners, ABC's Lateline and also discussions on BBC's World service.

And I know enough to say what was stated was nonsense.

The Japanese and Germans frequently fractured the conventions of acceptable treatment for POWs in WWII - did the allies respond in kind then ?

Is this the reason the USA refuses to become a signatory to the Internal War Crimes Court ? - ie they plan to ignore the Geneva Conventions regularly and often (and throw the accepted conventions out the window) and act in total disregard of these.

Perhaps Doc or Bill could produce some definitive statement of current standing orders for all USA military forces (in Iraq or Afganistan) which confirm their personal views with respect to these alleged exemptions to the Geneva Conventions since they are so well linked with the USA's military. It would make interesting reading. or are perhaps are they are just offering their personal opinions on the matter and these opinions have no actual foundation in fact.
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8247
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Apparently we look like this now
The POW treatment by Japanese and German soldiers was torture. Bamboo chutes under fingernails, starvation, Bataan Death March, scientific experiments on people...Just a little bit worse than a human pyramid, or a little doggie barking at them, dont you think?
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ANOVA
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Somerled:

The Geneva Convention only covers uniformed enemy combatants. Terrorists running around in Iraq have no protections under the convention, becuase there are no provisions.

Terrorists, like spies and sabotuers can be shot on sight.

ANOVA

BTW: When are you going to reply to my claims on the Democracy in Iraq thread? Or is your need for a link merely a way to run from the issue.
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somerled
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What about those murdered prisoners then ?

I suspect (and many others do as well) that what has been disclosed and reported is just the tip of an ice-berg and it is likely that a great deal of abuse , torture , and worse has been allowed (even encouraged) over there - not to mention that other place - and that those who allowed it or participated thought that they would never be brought to book.

Anova : is this your personal opinion or is actually it backed up by the text of the Geneva Conventions ?
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8247
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^^^

It's pointless, ANOVA. I've posted almost word for word what you just said, and he ignored it.

My Quote:Remember this...The Rules of Engagement, and the Geneva Convention do NOT apply here. Those rules were set out for soldiers who operated in a legitimate military, and wore a uniform.
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Sgt. Jaggs
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Torture them by showing them 8247s pathetic avatar. Then they will commit suicide! :lol:
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doctortobe
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From what I have read from the Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War, you are no longer a Protected Person if you take up arms against the Occupying Party or if you engage in an act of sabotage or espionage. Confusingly, they do not say that you do or do not receive protection under one of the other conventions.

So, in other words, I am right and you are wrong.
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Sgt. Jaggs
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How about a Voyager Movie
That's why you're the DOC .... doc

~ Marty in Back to the Future
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Coby
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Acorrding to the LOAC (Law Of Armed Conflict) It does not matter age or gender if you pick up a wapon and use it againt the military then you are no long a non-combat. There for you are fair game. Now terrist and spies are differnt they can and should be shoot on sight. That marine that threw a grande in to his commanding offrices at the beging of the war should have been shoot on sight. LOAC also says that anything with a red cross, red cresent or a church can not be attacked unless the enemy is using it as cover and that it self is agaist LOAC. Mabe some day Gene Rodenberrys Vision will come true wish I could be there. :yes:
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Coby
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How did ya'll get pictures :headscratch:
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