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| doctortobe | May 23 2004, 12:30 AM Post #16 |
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Well gee whiz, and to think I was understanding things like anatomy, cell biology, organic chemistry, and microbiology just fine. Certainly being in the top 10% of the nation must be a fluke, especially when I have been juggling my pre-med courses with an ROTC training program. Even though I cannot see why statistics is needed to understand how the human body works, I'll take your word for it since you seem to be the pre-med expert here. Strange how an accredited Biology degree requires no math past college Algebra and the top medical schools in the world only recommend that you take Calculus I. Obviously the Ivy leagues are wrong. Or could it be that Statistics is not needed in my field of expertise any more then Human Anatomy and Dissection is needed in yours? |
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| ds9074 | May 23 2004, 08:35 AM Post #17 |
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One of the reasons this conflict has been so divisive is because, at least from what I read, support is close to 50/50 in the USA, in the UK and according to this poll in Australia. If the opposition to the war was overwealming then it probably wouldnt have happened. If support for the war was overwealming then millions would not have turned out on the streets in protest and the politicians wouldnt be feeling the heat they are now. Both sides in this argument need to be honest and admit that neither has clear backing by the people. The only thing that can be said is that the people in power at the moment supported the war in Iraq and there are elections comming up. It will be interesting to see whether those same people are in power after those elections. |
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| somerled | May 23 2004, 11:35 AM Post #18 |
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Doc: What exactly is Premed - is that a bridging course between year 12 and before actually starting your undergraduate medical training ? Maybe you should visit the library and take a look at the papers in your disciplimes literature and get a feel for how actual doctors deal with medical problems and carry out their investigations (especially in medical and pharmaceutical and desease research - I think you'll find a heap of statistics going on - much of it very sophisticated - since they are dealing with life and death issues and have to get their risk analyses right (a bit like us engineers I guess). Sure BSc degrees have a lot of choice in them - nearly as much BA degrees in humanities. I have no doubt that you can obtain a 3 year BSc majoring in Biology with only one semester of maths within it - this doesn't mean the biologist will be equipped to work competently in his / chosen field (unless they choose to teach kiddies in school in which case they'd get away with such a serious professional short coming I guess). I have a nephew who has a 3 year BSc majoring in Geology and has only one semester of maths in it - he can't get a job as a geologist and works in a call centre, he has been told his degree is not good enough - not enough physics or maths. I have another nephew who completed his 3 year BScTech last year and has only 2 semester of maths - he's got a similar problem and is working as brickies labourer and understudy for his dad - what a waste of time that was ! |
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| doctortobe | May 23 2004, 01:18 PM Post #19 |
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The pre-med program merely involves getting a Bachelors degree in whatever you want while also taking certain core classes required for medical school. Many of these core classes are covered in degrees like Biology and Cemistry, but there are people who got degrees in Philosophy, Music, and Underwater Basketweaving that have taken the extra courses and gotten into med-school. The leaders of these schools feel that, as long these people fulfil the prerequisites and score well on the MCAT, that it will give diversity to the schools to allow people who do not have pure science degrees to enter. I am quite aware of how certain fields of medicine rely on statistics, but my field is going to be the surgical field. It is both one of the simplist and one of the most complex fields at the same time. It is simple in the fact that advances in surgery often does not come through actual research, but from somebody coming up with new techniques. It is spread through word of mouth and conventions until it is implemented everywhere. It wouldn't be a good idea to just write an article about it, because it is much harder to know where to cut and sew by reading an article then by watching as somebody else does it in front of you. You really don't want to screw up as your patient would be the one to suffer. Surgical fields are also simple in the fact that it is usually known what is needed to be done. Surgery is usually not done when it is unknown what you are digging for except when you are doing exploratory surgery or emergency surgery. The diagnosis is almost always done by an MD who then refers the patient to the surgeon. Or, in the case of cosmetic surgery, you use a bit of artistic liscence along with your experiance to know what you are going to do. All of this really doesn't rely on statistics. There would be some useful articles, but nothing that I havn't read and understood before. Surgery is mostly hand-eye coordination and making sure you know where you are going bedore you cut in. |
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