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Knock it off!
Topic Started: May 21 2004, 10:02 AM (887 Views)
Wichita
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May 23 2004, 02:13 AM
When a Democrat such as Pelosi finally says something that might contain a grain of truth the republicans are all in a fury demanding for an apology.   :rotfl:


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After reading this, I went back to hunt down IE's link to the Pelosi story. Oddly, her statements that bothered me most when I heard it today, were not included in the article. If someone can find the full text of her comments (because I haven't been able to), I would appreciate seeing it.

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I am an American first, and a Democrat and on top of that a Catholic and I resent being called anti-american or anti-patriotic merely because I don't like the direction our leader, the president, is taking us.


I am an American, a Mormon and a Republican and I resent being called a stupid, unaware, not paying attention, anti-choice, anti-women, sheeple, right-wing fanatic/wingnut, Nazi puke because I dare to question statements from some members of the left.

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I'm tired of the American lowering their expectations of this man, our president, who is still a public servant and beholden to all citizens of America.


Actually I agree - but I think that that tendency started well before George W. Bush. We haven't seen the best and the brightest of the American people, literally, for decades. Further, we won't see it until the Democratic and Republican Parties realize that women and members of minority groups have something to offer.

I do NOT believe that a 50 million dollar man or a 700 million man honestly have a clue about what most Americans believe or need.

End of Personal Opinion
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Swidden
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Fortunately, I do not live in Ms. Pelosi's district. However, I think that the level she stooped to in making her comments was farther than she should have gone. I do hope that she will make a statement saying something to the effect that she phrased her statement poorly...
(Note: If this happens it will serve as fodder the the Non-apology apology thread... :D :angel: :whistle:)

I do not, personally, view those on the other side of this argument as being unpatriotic, whether they are members of this community or elected politicians or op-ed column writers...
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All I am asking for is a end of the sound bites and to be given a alternate plan of action from the left. If the president is wrong say why and show me the better plan you have
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Politicians in both parties seem to assume that there are not enough intelligent voters out there willing to listen to a genuine plan. They follow the Madison Avenue line of thinking when it comes to campaigning...
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I know unfortunatly I live in California and will never get to see the commersials
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I thought you had satellite TV, can't you get them to feed you "local" stations from a swing state? :D :angel: :whistle:
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You know me to cheap to pay :rotfl:
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Back on topic, I think that it is unfair for one side to demand the other to stop the name calling unless they also promise to stop it. As Wichita pointed out, while the right calls the left unpatriotic, the left calls the right Nazis. Which is the more hurtful term?
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May 22 2004, 11:47 PM
Intrepid2002
May 23 2004, 02:13 AM
When a Democrat such as Pelosi finally says something that might contain a grain of truth the republicans are all in a fury demanding for an apology.   :rotfl:


Personal Response

After reading this, I went back to hunt down IE's link to the Pelosi story. Oddly, her statements that bothered me most when I heard it today, were not included in the article. If someone can find the full text of her comments (because I haven't been able to), I would appreciate seeing it.

Quote:
 
I am an American first, and a Democrat and on top of that a Catholic and I resent being called anti-american or anti-patriotic merely because I don't like the direction our leader, the president, is taking us.


I am an American, a Mormon and a Republican and I resent being called a stupid, unaware, not paying attention, anti-choice, anti-women, sheeple, right-wing fanatic/wingnut, Nazi puke because I dare to question statements from some members of the left.

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I'm tired of the American lowering their expectations of this man, our president, who is still a public servant and beholden to all citizens of America.


Actually I agree - but I think that that tendency started well before George W. Bush. We haven't seen the best and the brightest of the American people, literally, for decades. Further, we won't see it until the Democratic and Republican Parties realize that women and members of minority groups have something to offer.

I do NOT believe that a 50 million dollar man or a 700 million man honestly have a clue about what most Americans believe or need.

End of Personal Opinion

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I am an American, a Mormon and a Republican and I resent being called a stupid, unaware, not paying attention, anti-choice, anti-women, sheeple, right-wing fanatic/wingnut, Nazi puke because I dare to question statements from some members of the left.


How ignorant is that when people broadbrush other people with wrong, hurtful statements? I resent any democrat leftie making any such statement because it is wrong. (Although I've got to admit I had to look up the word sheeple, I have no idea what that means) You are fortunate though, you a least get to hear people from the left. Where I am, I have to look hard and long for a more liberal point of view. Despite Pennyslvania being a supposed Democratic state, I'm surrounded 24/7 by republican rhetoric. Our airwaves and newspapers have a more conservative slant. Based on what I see such as tons and tons of money falling into the hands of Republican coffers, I'm getting the impression that I'm in the minority and I can't understand what it is I'm NOT getting.

Just goes to show that it goes both ways. Your post got me thinking (and I'm throwing this totally out into the wind), we seem to always be on the defensive despite being on totally different positions of the spectrum.

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Actually I agree - but I think that that tendency started well before George W. Bush.  We haven't seen the best and the brightest of the American people, literally, for decades.  Further, we won't see it until the Democratic and Republican Parties realize that women and members of minority groups have something to offer. 


Women and minority groups indeed! Can you imagine? :wow:

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I do NOT believe that a 50 million dollar man or a 700 million man honestly have a clue about what most Americans believe or need.


But how do you get a 50 cent man into office?

that's the end of my rant , it's supposed to be a day of rest today :angel:
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lister
May 23 2004, 01:47 AM
I know unfortunatly I live in California and will never get to see the commersials

Lister,

Just out of curiousity, you mentioned that you are from California, supposedly and strong Democratic state. What commercials ARE you seeing over there? I'm in PA and Bush campaign commercials are getting a lot of air time. I've seen one Kerry commercial and I'm lucky if I catch it on some obscure channel. They're not as predominant as the Bush commercials.
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May 23 2004, 04:49 AM
Back on topic, I think that it is unfair for one side to demand the other to stop the name calling unless they also promise to stop it. As Wichita pointed out, while the right calls the left unpatriotic, the left calls the right Nazis. Which is the more hurtful term?

No one form of name calling is more hurtful than the other but it doesn't stop at the level of name calling. A lot of times it is just plain old dirty politics. Case in point, Max Cleland. How on the face of this earth can a man like Max Cleland be deemed unpatriotic by the likes of republicans like Saxby Chambliss? :no: It just boggles my mind. If the same thing happened to John McCain, my head would still be shaking. Maybe MY bias is for the veteran and not moreso for a particular political party.

But I'm sure hundreds of other examples from the right can be presented as well.
Dirty politics. No one is safe.

So I'm not concerned with who hurts the most or who throws out the more hurtful statement. I just wish it would stop.

As IE would say, "Knock it Off".
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Wichita
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May 23 2004, 01:16 PM
Where I am, I have to look hard and long for a more liberal point of view. Despite Pennyslvania being a supposed Democratic state, I'm surrounded 24/7 by republican rhetoric. Our airwaves and newspapers have a more conservative slant.

Personal Observation

Interesting point ... is it possible that eastern PA is more liberal than western PA?

In Ohio, a largely Republican state, I am seeing 3-4 Kerry-approved ad for every Bush-approved ad. Since you also have to add in the non-Kerry approved ads, Bush is the one lost.

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lister
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May 23 2004, 08:19 AM
lister
May 23 2004, 01:47 AM
I know unfortunatly I live in California and will never get to see the commersials

Lister,

Just out of curiousity, you mentioned that you are from California, supposedly and strong Democratic state. What commercials ARE you seeing over there? I'm in PA and Bush campaign commercials are getting a lot of air time. I've seen one Kerry commercial and I'm lucky if I catch it on some obscure channel. They're not as predominant as the Bush commercials.

I have seen one Kerry and two bush commercials. I live in the central valley so I might see a different mix than the bay area or LA :shrug:
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Intrepid,

The Central Valley is pretty heavily Republican. The San Francisco Bay Area and Southern California tend towards being very strong in the Democratic camp (especially the former) and have a higher population than the Central Valley (cities like Sacramento, Fresno, Bakersfield, etc). Here in the Monterey Bay Area (about 100 miles south of SF) I have not seen one Presidetial commercial unless it has been run on a news broadcast; and I get a couple of Bay Area stations. I think both parties figure they know where California's votes will go and see no point in spending money on air time on TV. Some AM radio stations do run ads, but probably have been bought to run on whatever nationally syndicated program is currently airing.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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Intrepid2002
May 22 2004, 07:39 PM
Admiralbill_gomec
May 22 2004, 12:31 AM
somerled
May 21 2004, 09:39 PM
Wicheta:
Bush Jr did order the troops into Iraq so that makes him personally responsible for any of your soldiers who die there.

Somerled is wrong again.

Only CONGRESS can declare war. President Bush can not.

Once again, Somerled opens mouth, inserts foot, and starts chewing vigorously... just like all flaming trolls.





So what are you saying? BUSH had nothing to do with getting us into this war? Let's blame the congress for this one? Who controls the congress?

That one doesn't pass muster. You can do better.

That wasn't what I was saying. PRESIDENT Bush asked Congress for permission. Congress approved. I simply shot down Somerled's stupid comment about Bush being personally responsible. Besides, it was nothing more than a troll.

Speaking of doing better, I expected more from you than that www.johnkerry.com comment. I've been to his site numerous times and between bouts of hysterical laughter and too much head scratching I've come to the conclusion that Kerry keeps a moistened finger up to figure out which way the wind blows.

By the way, the eastern half of Pennsylvania is heavily Democrat. The western half of Pennsylvania is heavily Republican.
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