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| Wichita | May 21 2004, 12:09 PM Post #16 |
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The Adminstrator wRench
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^^ Personal Response Are you telling me that the Minority Senate Leader actually believes that a mission can be accomplished without the death of troops or cost to taxpayers? I thought it was just political BS. For once I am actualy GLAD the Secretary of Agriculture is ahead of some others in the line of succession. End of Personal Response |
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| doctortobe | May 21 2004, 12:20 PM Post #17 |
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Speak softly, and carry a 57 megaton stick!
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To both sides of the spectrum, I can say only this. Mr. Kettle, this is Mr. Pot, you are blacker then a thousand midnights. |
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| ImpulseEngine | May 21 2004, 12:28 PM Post #18 |
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That's not what I said. A couple of words were bolded for a reason... |
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| ImpulseEngine | May 21 2004, 12:34 PM Post #19 |
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Both sides are guilty of rhetoric. Only one side is guilty of claims attacking people's patriotism and making accusations about aiding terrorists. THAT kind of rhetoric is inexcusable, counterproductive, and completely appalling. |
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| Wichita | May 21 2004, 12:36 PM Post #20 |
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Personal Response The quote below was not there when I responded to your statement. We must have posted at the same time.
As to the addition ... That very well may be what she meant. However, it's not what she said. End of Personal Response |
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| ImpulseEngine | May 21 2004, 12:41 PM Post #21 |
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^^^ No problem. My edit was only 3 minutes before your post so you very well could have been typing your reply when I posted the edited portion. And even if what she said is what she meant, while it might be stupid, it's not unpatriotic or aiding terrorists. |
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| Wichita | May 21 2004, 12:42 PM Post #22 |
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Personal Opinion Very true ... However, after you have been called a Nazi repeatedly - as I have - it's easy to get a little miffed. I agree with Doctortobe - NEITHER side is innocent. End of Personal Opinion |
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| Hoss | May 21 2004, 12:48 PM Post #23 |
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I have seen bumper stickers and such that say things like "dissent does not mean unpatriotic or unAmerican or whatever". Well, dissent is good in a democracy, but at the right time. In a democracy, both sides talk about doing something, vote to make a decision on what to do and then do it. So, if the dissent comes in the period in which we are deciding whether or not to overthrow Hussien and rebuild Iraq, that is great and very American. Well, a decision was made to overthrow Hussien and rebuild Iraq (and Kerry voted for it), so now it is time to put down the discussion about whether or not we should have done this or that and now focus on the task at hand (overthrowing Hussien-done and rebuilding Iraq-In Progress). What the Democrats are doing now is not dissent, it is campaigning for Kerry at the expense of America. The decision was made by those elected to make the decision by the American people in accordance with our Constitution that has been ratified by every state!!!!!! It is now time to work toward implementing the decision with all available efficiency, and speed. This means supporting the war and rebuilding effort even though you may not have voted for it, the majority voted for it and that defines our government. All these attacks on Bush and politicizing every last gnat's-ass detail is Un-patriotic and Un-democratic and Un-American and is SOP of the left in an election year. |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | May 21 2004, 01:12 PM Post #24 |
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At least members of the House of Representatives get it. I missed this yesterday: http://www.spacewar.com/2004/040520205548.71gy0ttp.html House approves 422 billion dollar defense bill The House of Representatives Thursday, by a vote of 391 to 34, approved a 422 billion dollar defense funding bill for the 2005 fiscal year. The legislation, which provides funding for the Department of Defense and the national security programs of the Department of Energy, increases pay, health care and other benefits for members of the US armed forces. The bill also includes 25 billion dollars for military operations in Iraq -- funding requested just last month by US President George W. Bush after a surprisingly strong insurgency in Iraq caused US forces to deplete earlier funding there at a faster than anticipated rate. The legislation also seeks to improve battlefield combat equipment, including armored Humvees and body armor. "In approving this bill, we give in some small measure our thanks, which will never be adequate, to those who protect us," said Duncan Hunter, chairman of the House Armed Services Committee. "This is a defense bill for the troops," he said. The bill includes a 3.5 percent across-the-board pay increase for service members, and increases other forms of compensation including hardship duty pay. The legislation allows for up to 3,000 dollars per month in replacement pay for reservists who experience a reduction in income while away from their civilian jobs. |
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| ImpulseEngine | May 21 2004, 02:09 PM Post #25 |
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Perhaps you would prefer that the First Ammendment of the Constitution was written like this: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech unless that speech is in violation of a decision already made by elected officials, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. Sorry, but that isn't what it says. Furthermore, what you suggest is that, once a decision has been made, even if implimentation of that decision establishes that the decision was stupid (as the dissenters believe), we should just blindly and quietly keep following it anyway because the decision was already made and is final. Not to do so is to be considered "Un-patriotic and Un-democratic and Un-American". Bull! Accusations that dissenting opinions are unpatriotic and un-American is where the politicizing is. If not, then why use these labels? Why not just express why they disagree? AdmiralBill, How does your article fit this discussion? |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | May 21 2004, 02:10 PM Post #26 |
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Tell us why you disagree... |
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| ImpulseEngine | May 21 2004, 02:13 PM Post #27 |
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^^^ This discussion isn't about me. It's about "the left" and what "the right" says about them. People in "the left" give reasons for their disagreement all the time. |
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| Hoss | May 21 2004, 05:28 PM Post #28 |
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First of all, I wasn't refering to you and me, I was refering to politicians. No, I don't think that the 1st amendment should be rewritten as it protects unpatriotic speech as well as patriotic. I was refering to the functioning of a government. The government decided by majority to invade Iraq, over-throw the Iraqi dictatorship and establish a democratic government. Once that decision has been made, it is the duty of the elected officials to carry that out in the best way possible. Not stand in the way of it like the 'dissenters' are doing now. Not use any bumps in the road as an opportunity for political grand-standing in an election year. Not to distort the truth about what is happening for political gain. If, there is a strong movement to abandon the current operation in favor of another course of action, let them bring before the elected bodies the proposal for debate and ultimately vote. When the democratic process has been completed and a decision has been reached, let them all focus on executing that decision. What I charge is Unpatriotic and UnAmerican has nothing to do with freedom of speech unless I also advocated punishment. I only seek to expose the Unpatriotic self-serving, oportunistic, photo-op'ing, slime-ball politicians for what they are and what they are doing. Standing in the way of the democratic process in order to (hopefully) score campaign points in the next election by making the other side look bad for implementing a decision that was reached by democratic majority. This has nothing to do with freedom speech, but rather quality of character. |
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| Sgt. Jaggs | May 21 2004, 07:36 PM Post #29 |
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How about a Voyager Movie
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Too bad the Democratic Party does not have a good alternative to Bush. All you have heard out there is Bush haters and Bush supporters, not a Democratic nominee who can step forward and say "Here is what I believe in and why I am better." Without being substantive as a candidate, those voters that lie in the undecided category and are not just Bush haters will get the message that Bush is tough on Terror and vote for him. I am curious as to just how many people really hate Bush and will vote against him. We shall see. |
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| somerled | May 21 2004, 10:39 PM Post #30 |
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Wicheta: Bush Jr did order the troops into Iraq so that makes him personally responsible for any of your soldiers who die there. |
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