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| doctortobe | May 20 2004, 03:11 PM Post #46 |
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Speak softly, and carry a 57 megaton stick!
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To be fair, the other countries can be just as exuberant as the Americans are if they want to. If they choose not to, then that is the choice that they made. Americans should not be penalized if the other countries are not as motivated. |
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| Dr. Noah | May 20 2004, 03:14 PM Post #47 |
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I don't think it's a question of motivation as much as it is not blowing your own horn. The US is notorious for getting the gold in several events, but we don't have to chant "USA, USA, USA, USA" all the time. I thought that was pretty disrespectful. |
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| ImpulseEngine | May 20 2004, 03:41 PM Post #48 |
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Maybe you don't remember the problem in 2002 where the performances of some gymnasts may have been affected because they couldn't hear their own music over the chants of "USA! USA!" Sorry, that's not a question of motivation, but fairness. I think that's why the issue has come up now at all. They've just taken it to an extreme with the suggestion that high fives and fist pumping should be avoided too. The extreme is just to be absolutely sure there are no offenses created during this already touchy time. And to my knowledge, it's been presented as advice, not as a mandate. |
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| doctortobe | May 20 2004, 03:42 PM Post #49 |
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But we won, why should we not celebrate our victory? If we didn't win so many medals, maybe we wouldn't chant so much. Perhaps the real problem is that other countries don't like that we win so many medals? It seems stupid to me that we shouldn't be motivated just because the other countries feel sad. Is that not part of the competition? P.S. I just read the post made by IE a couple minutes before mine. Did the Olympic officials ask the crowd to be silent during the gymnastics routine? Did the ushers tell people who refused to comply to leave? I would think that people would rather be silent then risk being embarrased by getting kicked out of the competition. |
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| ImpulseEngine | May 20 2004, 03:43 PM Post #50 |
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So you find it ok to allow drowning out the music so gymnasts who time themselves by it can't hear it?
Edit: I posted this before your P.S. above so now I realize you weren't replying to me. |
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| Dr. Noah | May 20 2004, 03:45 PM Post #51 |
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Again, it's not an issue of motivation. It's about showing respect for all the other nations who have come in the spirit of cooperation to come together despite all our differences to compete in games. It's cool for us to win all the time, but when we rub it in by chanting it's disrepectful and a touch arrogant. It's not too much to ask to be respectful and good sports now is it? Didn't your Little League coach teach you that it's rude to chant "We're #1! we're #1!" after the game? It's akin to saying "You suck! We kicked your butt!! We rule!" I mean, when it comes down to it, the Olympics is symbolic of working together in cooperation with other nations. We shouldn't let our competiveness overtake the spirit of this event. |
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| doctortobe | May 20 2004, 03:45 PM Post #52 |
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See above statement, there is no reason why the Olympic officials couldn't deal with the matter. |
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| Dr. Noah | May 20 2004, 03:50 PM Post #53 |
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Or, people could simply be respectful and not chant instead of cheer? What's wrong with simply cheering. I think chanting shouldn't be allowed for anyone. In my opinion, it's rude. |
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| doctortobe | May 20 2004, 03:57 PM Post #54 |
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Speak softly, and carry a 57 megaton stick!
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What is the difference between chanting and cheering? One uses words the other doesn't According to IE's main beef, it was the loudness of it that drowned out the music. I would think that cheering would be just as bad. You are saying that the personal tastes of other people should affect what certain people should be able to say? You are saying that people shouldn't be allowed to say things just because they are arrogant and rude? In any case, could it have been the accoustics of the ampitheater that the Olympics were held in that year? |
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| Dr. Noah | May 20 2004, 04:01 PM Post #55 |
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It's just my opinion that chanting is rude. Usually there doesn't need to be stipulations on how to cheer, some people have taken it to extremes and made it necessary to address. |
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| ImpulseEngine | May 20 2004, 04:01 PM Post #56 |
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My memory of it is that the chanting was allowed until it was too late for those gymnasts, but they did ask for more discretion after that. I don't think they got very specific about defining discretion (and that may not be the exact word that was use either) and the chanting largely continued. But on the one hand you are saying there shouldn't be rules about cheering and celebrating, but now you are saying the Olympic officials should be making and enforcing rules... Which way do you want it?
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| doctortobe | May 20 2004, 04:06 PM Post #57 |
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Speak softly, and carry a 57 megaton stick!
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There should be rules about the noise levels, that would be fair. There shouldn't be rules about what is done unless it is directly detrimental to the performance of the competitors. By this, I mean stuff like shining lights into their faces. |
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| ImpulseEngine | May 20 2004, 04:11 PM Post #58 |
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Then you apparently have your wish. This thread is all about a US organization (USOC) making recommendations about appropriate behavior for the US team. |
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| Dandandat | May 20 2004, 04:24 PM Post #59 |
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Time to put something here
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Well, I would say that statement makes it two simplistic. How would you get your million dollars? By taking it form someone else? – now that wouldn’t be fair to the someone you took it form and so is not a solution to the problem of making it fair for you. Should money not matter, and everything be free and so making every one monetarily equal with out taking away form some one else – yes. Will that ever happen – Some day I hope but not for many many many many generations (if we don’t kill or over populate our selves). That’s why I said “ought”, everything ought to be fair and we should strive to make it so. It should be one of those things we will never achieve but should try for anyway because at the end of the day we might not accomplish what we want we will still be that much closer, and that much closer is worth the effort. |
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| Dr. Noah | May 20 2004, 04:26 PM Post #60 |
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I agree Dan. Things will never be totally fair, but we should do our best to try. |
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