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BREAKING NEWS - WMD; Exploded roadside bomb contains Sarin
Topic Started: May 17 2004, 09:44 AM (1,098 Views)
doctortobe
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Because of the relatively short life span of mustard gas, if it was viable, then that would lend credence to the fact that Saddam was continuing to make WMD after the Gulf War. It would not matter if they were for medical, industrial, or religious uses, Saddam was barred from making these substances no matter what he intended to use them for.

Also, perhaps the BBC and ABC are covering up this incident to keep potentially damaging news from the people? Between you and Admiral Bill, I am fast coming to the conclusion that ALL major news organizations frequently lie to achieve their own political ends. :shrug:
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somerled
May 18 2004, 05:52 AM
Since it is Fox reporting the find , and they have proven in the past to be a long way from credible, I would be cautious about accepting their allegation at face value , as the ALLEGED find could well be politically motivated propoganda.

I will point out that neither the BBC or ABC have run the story alleging a find of Mustard Gas in Iraq - so either Fox made up the story - this wouldn't be the first time that they've done that - in the name of ratings and sales (perhaps to help the beleigered Bush Administration who are in a huge trouble over the widespread torture of Iraqis since the invasion and will be looking for distractions), or they have been unable to obtain credible information and a solid confirmation about the story.


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It's interesting how often Fox News is attacked for lack of credibility but how seldom - well never - are actual examples produced of their lack of credibility. Until that proof is supplied, it would appear the attacks on Fox News are what is politically motivated.

And please, don't quote opinion pieces/editorials for examples - they are called OPINION for a reason. News is on the front page - the editorial page is later in the paper and labels itself as opinion to differentiate from hard news.

Why wasn't the find on ABC or BBC? I don't know that it wasn't - unless you are watching them 24/7 or reading every scrap of their website 24/7, you don't know that for sure either.

End of Personal Observation
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doctortobe
May 18 2004, 02:29 AM
Because of the relatively short life span of mustard gas, if it was viable, then that would lend credence to the fact that Saddam was continuing to make WMD after the Gulf War. It would not matter if they were for medical, industrial, or religious uses, Saddam was barred from making these substances no matter what he intended to use them for.

Also, perhaps the BBC and ABC are covering up this incident to keep potentially damaging news from the people? Between you and Admiral Bill, I am fast coming to the conclusion that ALL major news organizations frequently lie to achieve their own political ends. :shrug:

CBS was the network who showed the footage of Princess Diana dying in the car. But, Dan Rather said that showing the Nick Berg footage was out of the question. Why? Because if everyone in the US saw that footage, they would forget about the REAL news story...Those poor Iraqi's being "toutured" at the hands of the "evil" Americans under President Bush. You can count on CNN, CBS, NBC, and ABC to NOT show ANYTHING that would help Bush.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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May 18 2004, 03:18 AM
somerled
May 18 2004, 05:52 AM
Since it is Fox reporting the find , and they have proven in the past to be a long way from credible, I would be cautious about accepting their allegation at face value , as the ALLEGED find could well be politically motivated propoganda.

I will point out that neither the BBC or ABC have run the story alleging a find of Mustard Gas in Iraq - so either Fox made up the story - this wouldn't be the first time that they've done that - in the name of ratings and sales (perhaps to help the beleigered Bush Administration who are in a huge trouble over the widespread torture of Iraqis since the invasion and will be looking for distractions), or they have been unable to obtain credible information and a solid confirmation about the story.


Personal Observation

It's interesting how often Fox News is attacked for lack of credibility but how seldom - well never - are actual examples produced of their lack of credibility. Until that proof is supplied, it would appear the attacks on Fox News are what is politically motivated.

And please, don't quote opinion pieces/editorials for examples - they are called OPINION for a reason. News is on the front page - the editorial page is later in the paper and labels itself as opinion to differentiate from hard news.

Why wasn't the find on ABC or BBC? I don't know that it wasn't - unless you are watching them 24/7 or reading every scrap of their website 24/7, you don't know that for sure either.

End of Personal Observation

In addition to Fox News, I heard Sarin reported on CBS news at the top of every hour (my local talk radio station uses them at the top of the hour, and Fox at the bottom of the hour, for balance). They also talked about Mustard gas. I heard it first on Fox (TV), so I stayed with them.

Somerled, where is your proof of Fox's lack of credibility?
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somerled
May 18 2004, 01:52 AM
I will point out that neither the BBC or ABC have run the story alleging a find of Mustard Gas in Iraq


8247
May 18 2004, 09:45 AM
You can count on CNN, CBS, NBC, and ABC to NOT show ANYTHING that would help Bush.


Oh please, you two...

Here's the story at ABC

Here's the story at the BBC
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Minuet
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Impulse, just to be clear to Somerled ABC is an Australian station.

Good work finding it on the BBC though and showing Somerled is out to lunch as usual.
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May 18 2004, 11:04 AM
Good work finding it on the BBC though and showing Somerled is out to lunch as usual.

shhh...I'm hungry and it's still an hour to lunch time.
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May 18 2004, 12:04 PM
Impulse, just to be clear to Somerled ABC is an Australian station.

Thanks for the info Minuet. I didn't know that. I'll have to go look there too.

Edit:
Here it is: ABC Australia. (It took longer to find the website than the article.)
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Minuet
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Well, here's the link to the Australian ABC story

Shell containing sarin found in Iraq: US Army

Amazing what you can find when you try. Somerled, do you think you didn't find the articles because you didn't really want to??????
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Dr. Noah
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For Wichita: http://invisionfree.com/forums/SisterTrek/...topic=2365&st=0
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Jagalom Shaarek:
Maybe the :grouphug: might have been less unmanly - just a thought.

Minuet:
No - BBC had not yet picked up on the story when I went to their site and looked - this would be because most of them might have been off in the land of nod perhaps ? If you check the time stamps you will be able to confirm that.

I am 10 hours east of the UK after all. Midday there is 10pm here.

Which is exactly where I'm heading right now (as it's 4am I have a very long day (til 9pm coming)).

In case you are wondering - I do a goodly proportion of my study and uni work between 10pm and 3 or 4 am - it's very quiet and I don't get disturbed my family or phone calls. (I am a bit of an night owl.)
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Excuses, excuses. And what about our ease in finding ABC articles. Surely you can't plead time differences with your own country?????
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Not to mention, assuming they aren't running the story only a very short time after the story broke (instead of considering that maybe they just haven't posted it yet), is a pretty big assumption.
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Doc :
You are presuming the story has any credibility. Was not mentioned on the news here tonight and PM Howard has made no mention of the find in press releases.

ABC has made no mention of any Mustard Gas find as of 4am Wed. (EAST) Nor has BBC (it must be getting on to tea-time in the UK now).

I offer that as evidence that perhaps Fox fabricated the Mustard Gas story, if there was any credibility in the story , it would be dynamite for Blaire, Howard, Rumsfeld and Bush Jr who - don't you think - when their credibility has gone around the U bend over non-existant (evaporating) Iraqi WMD.
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Minuet :
When did I post my response - when did you look ?
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