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| BREAKING NEWS - WMD; Exploded roadside bomb contains Sarin | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: May 17 2004, 09:44 AM (1,099 Views) | |
| ImpulseEngine | May 17 2004, 03:11 PM Post #16 |
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AB, I'll gladly give credit when it's due and not before. Right now, you and I are both expressing our opinions. Why? Because right now the facts are quite incomplete. |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | May 17 2004, 04:57 PM Post #17 |
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120137,00.html Here's one. The title is, "Sarin, Mustard Gas Discovered Separately in Iraq" Please read the entire article. |
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| ANOVA | May 17 2004, 06:24 PM Post #18 |
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No No silly. It was the trilateral comission working with the gnomes of Zurich and the Elders of Zion. I've got to go put my tin foil cap back on before 'they" find my broadcast beacon! Ive believed that the evidence both physical and documenatary added to a disassembled WMD complex that was smeant tobe scattered until we left. ANOVA |
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| Sgt. Jaggs | May 17 2004, 07:09 PM Post #19 |
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How about a Voyager Movie
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IE Funny how they "stumble" upon sarin gas shells when the coalition (including Somerled's government) can't find them as hard as they try..... I wonder why that is........
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| Sgt. Jaggs | May 17 2004, 07:12 PM Post #20 |
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How about a Voyager Movie
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I'll remember your skepticism next time a news story goes your way.
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| somerled | May 17 2004, 07:22 PM Post #21 |
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Well - for starters - proper chemical and physical tests on any residues by a completely independant laboratory , not just some soldier running about with a test kit which is prone to contamination and well - not reliable. Who's to say at this stage where the shell originated , proper chemical tests would go a long way to telling that. |
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| Minuet | May 17 2004, 07:30 PM Post #22 |
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| Intrepid2002 | May 17 2004, 07:37 PM Post #23 |
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People will believe what they will. I for one don't know who to believe but right now, I'm not ready to make any judgements. I too will wait for proper confirmation about this matter. I wouldn't put anything past anyone right now. I'm very skeptical. What's the next great act of Bush? Gas prices miraculously go down? |
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| ImpulseEngine | May 17 2004, 07:49 PM Post #24 |
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I read this article earlier along with the one I linked above. Your post implies that it supports your argument, but actually it supports mine. Here's an excerpt (bold is mine):
Here's another:
Where's the support for your argument? Is this it? Where are the supporting arguments to back up this "significant" claim? Let me guess, those U.S. officials are Republican, right? Even Rumsfeld hasn't made the conclusions that you have. Edit: This link is a little more complete. |
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| ImpulseEngine | May 17 2004, 07:51 PM Post #25 |
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You've already "remembered" it plenty of times... (Actually, it's my turn.
But whose counting...)
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| Sgt. Jaggs | May 17 2004, 08:03 PM Post #26 |
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How about a Voyager Movie
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You ARE a good sport. I'll remember that too! :lol:
BTW, The kissing smiley does not cost me a punch in my Man Card does it? ~~~~*Official disclaimer: proximity alert activated. Jagalom Shaarek is not gay, though he defends and respects the rights and priveledges of gay Americans everywhere. No gays were offended at anytime during this post.*~~~~ end proximity alert warning. |
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| Wichita | May 17 2004, 08:14 PM Post #27 |
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Just a question Are the two soldiers treated for contact with sarin any less sick if it was an old shell or a new shell? |
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| ImpulseEngine | May 17 2004, 09:32 PM Post #28 |
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No it doesn't since you didn't mean it that way. But then again, please, I don't really know you...
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| ImpulseEngine | May 17 2004, 09:34 PM Post #29 |
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No. |
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| somerled | May 18 2004, 12:52 AM Post #30 |
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WRT to alleged mustard gas find in Iraq. Since it is Fox reporting the find , and they have proven in the past to be a long way from credible, I would be cautious about accepting their allegation at face value , as the ALLEGED find could well be politically motivated propoganda. I will point out that neither the BBC or ABC have run the story alleging a find of Mustard Gas in Iraq - so either Fox made up the story - this wouldn't be the first time that they've done that - in the name of ratings and sales (perhaps to help the beleigered Bush Administration who are in a huge trouble over the widespread torture of Iraqis since the invasion and will be looking for distractions), or they have been unable to obtain credible information and a solid confirmation about the story. Anyway - the shell could have come from a number sources. Also from Fox About Mustard Gas
I am not denying that Saddam has had access to Mustard Gas and that he has ordered its use , whever he still had any left (but more to the point - if any he might have had left (and stashed) was in a viable and usuable condition is highly doubtful). Mustard gas is highly unstable and breaks down rapidly over a period of several years. Take a look at the molecule : 1,1-thiobis(2-chloroethane) or 2,2'-dichlorodiethyl sulfide depending on the naming convention used. Its chemical formula is Cl-CH2-CH2-S-CH2-CH2-Cl , there is also the nitrogenated version, take out the =S= and add =N= , anyone with even a rudimentary knowledge of organic chemistry will see that this is a highly unstable molecule just by looking at it's structure...C=S=C.. or ..C=N=C.. double bonds are very unstable and readily attacked by radicals , resulting in the splitting of the molecule into radicals of it, and smaller molecules. I will not post the recipy for producing 2,2'-dichlorodiethyl sulfide (or nitride) here - those who are interested can refer the Merck Index. Are you also aware that mustard gas has been used medically for decades - read about it Mustard Gas medical uses and industrially - US DEPT OF LABOUR OH&S gives a long list of organics including mustard gas which are commonly encountered industrial materoals - typically in the manufacture of common plastics.
So it's definitely far from certain exactly where any mustard gas found might have originated - or even if it was manufactured for use as weapon. |
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1,1-thiobis(2-chloroethane) or 2,2'-dichlorodiethyl sulfide depending on the naming convention used. Its chemical formula is Cl-CH2-CH2-S-CH2-CH2-Cl , there is also the nitrogenated version, take out the =S= and add =N= , anyone with even a rudimentary knowledge of organic chemistry will see that this is a highly unstable molecule just by looking at it's structure.
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