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Swing State Voter Here; First in a Series
Topic Started: May 14 2004, 01:52 PM (281 Views)
ANOVA
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Adrian:

There are certain aspects of the our system that you seem unaware. When the president tasks someone with getting the honest opinion of experts about a subject, he must guarnetee aninimity<sp?>. If a president wasn't allowed such a guarentee, people would be gurded in their opinions.

There are major differences between the Energy task force and the ?Health care task force.

The energy task force was headed by an elected official of the executive branch.

The health care task force was headed by an relative of the presedent with clear disregard to both the anti-nepotism act (to keep Bobby Kennedy fram advising JFK) and the sunshine act (which is to make discussions of "appointed" task force heads open to congressional and public srutiny)

The energy task force was to make "recommendations" to the cheif executive.

The health care task force was actually crafing the law in full.

ANOVA

BTW: I think the anti nepotism act is a crock. A sitting president should be allowed to seek advice from whomsoever s/he pleases. If it is an appointed position, cogress can refuse to give consent.
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Sgt. Jaggs
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How about a Voyager Movie
Quoting Wichita
Jagalom apparently someone told Gore (or he thought it up himself) that he had to prove himself the alpha male by staking out the territory of the stage they were debating on. He spent the evening trying to crowd out Bush when he answered a question. He ended up looking hyperactive and Bush unflappable.

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:lol: That big stiff! :lol:
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Admiralbill_gomec
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Adrian, you really should get your facts straight before you post.

There are links to al Queda and Iraq. This has been pointed out, and I know you've seen them. The war was NOT just about terrorism, but MANY OTHER things. Read Bush's State of the Union speech of 2003 for several examples, and read other speeches on the White House website. Terrorists were not, and ARE NOT confined to Afghanistan.

No WMDs? You must not be reading the papers. Strong evidence that Saddam moved his weapons (but not most of his PROGRAMS, of which David Kay already documented) to Syria. I even heard this AGAIN this morning.

Coalition of the bought? Please stop using talking points. It is insulting. Let's see... we had great world standing during the first Gulf War, which was when... 1990 and 1991, during the Bush 41 administration. THAT WAS THIRTEEN YEARS AGO. Since then, the Soviet Union collapsed. Remember? We were left the sole superpower. Times change, Bubba. We had 8 years of Bill Clinton and his egocentric policies to annihilate a lot of good will left over from Gulf War I.

Your economy is California sucks for one reason and one reason only. His name was Gray Davis. It had nothing to do with George W. Bush. It had EVERYTHING to do with his disastrous policies. Remember? Your fellow constituents had him recalled and booted? Your gasoline prices also have nothing to do with George Bush. On the other hand, the left can be blamed for stopping the building of oil refineries in this country for the past TWENTY years. (Hint, we're at refining capacity.)

We conservatives believe everyone should pay their fair share. That means everyone pays the same rate. If you want to hear real screaming, how about getting rid of that lovely liberal trick called WITHOLDING. Do you have any idea why I loathe the UNFAIR graduated, soak the rich, tax system we have? Because I write four checks a year in excess of ten grand to the IRS. You try paying all at once and see if you think it is fair. If you don't think you are paying enough, feel free to send in MORE. You know why payroll taxes COLLECTED went up under Republican congresses (and a Democrat president AND a Republican president)? The economy grew. Go figure. Please feel free to take Macroeconomics 101.

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Bush, however, has raised it to a fine art.
Feel free to cite factual examples, and I will counter with MoveOn.org, George Soros, Sheldon Drobny (the guy who gave Air America its first five million), et alia.

I'm going to jump down a few, because ANOVA already proved you wrong about the Cheney energy task force meetings.

Tell me, what is wrong with the Patriot Act. Give me specifics. How would it personally infringe on your freedoms. (This should be easy, seeing as I listed the one section that the left had a collective hissy over.) Ditto with the USA PATRIOT ACT 2? What is wrong with it. I don't want generics, I want specifics.

How about the environment? Can you give me specifics as to where something is worse? Have you considered that the Superfund is smaller because we have eliminated many sites originally on the list?



Batter up.
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Sgt. Jaggs
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The Fist needs a Bush avatar perhaps. :P

I find almost every point Adbill makes impossible to argue with personally.

I do not understand this one though:

Quote:"We had 8 years of Bill Clinton and his egocentric policies to annihilate a lot of good will left over from Gulf War I."

The only places I recognized Clinton's failure was not going after Osama after the details of the 93 WTC bombig were known, and the mess in Somalia.

As far as California goes, the Liberal wasteland now has a Republican Governor.
Kind of Ironic.

Quote"We conservatives believe everyone should pay their fair share. That means everyone pays the same rate. If you want to hear real screaming, how about getting rid of that lovely liberal trick called WITHOLDING. Do you have any idea why I loathe the UNFAIR graduated, soak the rich, tax system we have? Because I write four checks a year in excess of ten grand to the IRS. You try paying all at once and see if you think it is fair. If you don't think you are paying enough, feel free to send in MORE. You know why payroll taxes COLLECTED went up under Republican congresses (and a Democrat president AND a Republican president)? The economy grew. Go figure. Please feel free to take Macroeconomics 101."

I agree. It makes no sense to penalize the successful who enable capitalism to succeed. Fair should mean FAIR. :yes:

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Admiralbill_gomec
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This is what I meant by "egocentric" (as in, it was all about Clinton).

1. Clinton was obsessed with his legacy, which is why he leant so much to a peace process in northern Ireland.
2. He fired cruise missiles at the Sudan, Iraq, and Afghanistan to deflect coverage of Monica Lewinsky's testimony from the evening news.
3. Clinton abandoned Somalia.
4. Clinton pressured NATO to go to war in Yugoslavia in 1999. (The country attacked was in no way even remotely a threat to America's national interests. Yugoslavia is a small, very poor country of ten million people. Yugoslavia had not attacked any other country, nor had it threatened to do so. Yugoslavia had, in fact, recently lost about half of its territory to secessionist movements, and in return for accepting the exclusion of Bosnian Serb territory from Yugoslavia, had been guaranteed by the U.S. that no further secessions would be tolerated. Yugoslavia under Slobodon Milosevic has been painstakingly attentive to all international commitments, and obeyed all U.S. desires, as when Yugoslav troops were pulled out of Kosovo in October 1998, because of the threat of U.S. bombing.) He simply wanted to be the "Liberator" of Yugoslavia.

(Sorry, I kinda-sorta went a bit over the top on that last one)

A lot of good will toward America went down the tubes because of Yugoslavia.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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I'm surprised that none of my fellow posters have countered my posts??
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Ummm, Clinton was a hit at frat parties?
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