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Nick Berg - Rest in Peace
Topic Started: May 11 2004, 02:22 PM (995 Views)
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May 12 2004, 12:08 AM
Today a family had their loss displayed to the whole world by creatures so foul that no name has been invented to accurately describe them.

Mother weeps or is so shocked by the nature of her loss that sits near emotionless. Do you not think that she asked son to be careful while he was over there, as any mother would. Don’t you think he reassured her that he would be fine, as any loving son would do in that situation? And now, the promise has been broken. The mother cannot turn to anyone to who can make good the promise of her dead child.

Tonight, Nick Berg is not a dead American. He is a newborn, wet and crying on his mother’s chest. He is a toddling child trying to balance himself on the edge of cocktail table before falling down on his diapered rear, a teenager rolling his eyes at parental sage advice. In short Nick Berg is only a memory. The man, the dreams, and the happiness are gone for the Berg family. No assignation of blame will fill the void in the hearts of those he left behind.

Tomorrow, and for all the tomorrows that follow, there will be time to argue the root causes of such brutish actions. Leave the blame and offer the family heart felt sympathy, tonight.

ANOVA

Thank you, Anova. Well said ...
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Dwayne
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May 11 2004, 08:28 PM
ANOVA
May 12 2004, 12:08 AM
Today a family had their loss displayed to the whole world by creatures so foul that no name has been invented to accurately describe them.

Mother weeps or is so shocked by the nature of her loss that sits near emotionless. Do you not think that she asked son to be careful while he was over there, as any mother would. Don’t you think he reassured her that he would be fine, as any loving son would do in that situation? And now, the promise has been broken. The mother cannot turn to anyone to who can make good the promise of her dead child.

Tonight, Nick Berg is not a dead American. He is a newborn, wet and crying on his mother’s chest. He is a toddling child trying to balance himself on the edge of cocktail table before falling down on his diapered rear, a teenager rolling his eyes at parental sage advice. In short Nick Berg is only a memory. The man, the dreams, and the happiness are gone for the Berg family.  No assignation of blame will fill the void in the hearts of those he left behind.

Tomorrow, and for all the tomorrows that follow, there will be time to argue the root causes of such brutish actions. Leave the blame and offer the family heart felt sympathy, tonight.

ANOVA

Thank you, Anova. Well said ...

Either he's a better person than I, or he's not seen the video.

I want some people to suffer.

I keep on thinking of some email that went around awhile back...
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Three strangers strike up a conversation in the airport passenger  lounge  in Bozeman, Montana, awaiting their flights.  One is an American Indian passing through from Lame Deer.  Another is a Cowboy on his way to Billings for a livestock show and the third passenger is a fundamentalist Arab student, newly arrived at Montana State University from the Middle East.

Their discussion drifts to their diverse cultures.    Soon, the two
Westerners learn that the Arab is a devout, radical Muslim and the conversation falls into an uneasy lull.

The cowboy leans back in his chair, crosses his boots on a magazine table and tips his big sweat-stained hat forward over his face.  The wind  outside is blowing tumbleweeds around, and the old windsock is flapping; but still no plane comes.

Finally, the American Indian clears his throat and softly he speaks, "At one time here, my people were many, but sadly, now we are few." 

The Muslim student raises an eyebrow and leans forward, "Once my people were few," he sneers, "and now we are many.  Why do you suppose that is?"

The Montana cowboy shifts his toothpick to one side of his mouth and from the darkness beneath his Stetson says in a drawl, "That's 'cause we ain't played Cowboys and Muslims yet, but I do believe it's a-comin."
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I actually remember a few friends of mine discussing a web site that specialized in disturbing web videos. Among their favorites were some of Russian military being executed in Chechnya. A few of the more gruesome descriptions included a Russian soldier having his head cut off and one being shot in the shoulders and midsection before finally being put out of his misery with a bullet through the head. I actully asked them what they would think about it if an American were executed in the video, they said that would be different.
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May 11 2004, 09:10 PM
I actually remember a few friends of mine discussing a web site that specialized in disturbing web videos.  Among their favorites were some of Russian military being executed in Chechnya.  A few of the more gruesome descriptions included a Russian soldier having his head cut off and one being shot in the shoulders and midsection before finally being put out of his misery with a bullet through the head.  I actully asked them what they would think about it if an American were executed in the video, they said that would be different.

What I find amazing is how indifferent we are to what is happening in Chechnya - after all the Russians are fighting al Qaeda in Chechnya too!

I think the only reason why so many are indifferent to Chechnya is because the Russians are ruthless fighters which doesn't curry them any favors in the west.
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I watched it, and I threw up on my desk. Now that I've cleaned it up... For those of you who didnt see it, they used a dull knife. :realmad:

To ANYONE who thinks that the US soldiers who conducted this "abuse" on the Iraqis were responsible for this, I believe that they need to be forced to watch this tape over and over again, and THEN flip through those photos.

And by the way...Did I see AK-47's in those pictures? American soldiers arent armed with AK-47s. :realmad:

The #$%^%* media needs to QUIT this BS in talking down about the war effort. They are only in "Blame America mode" and they dont give a ##$# about our troops over there. I am proud to be an American, but I am ashamed to be represented by these media @$$holes. :realmad:
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Dwayne
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May 11 2004, 10:27 PM
I watched it, and I threw up on my desk. Now that I've cleaned it up... For those of you who didnt see it, they used a dull knife. :realmad:

To ANYONE who thinks that the US soldiers who conducted this "abuse" on the Iraqis were responsible for this, I believe that they need to be forced to watch this tape over and over again, and THEN flip through those photos.

And by the way...Did I see AK-47's in those pictures? American soldiers arent armed with AK-47s. :realmad:

The #$%^%* media needs to QUIT this BS in talking down about the war effort. They are only in "Blame America mode" and they dont give a ##$# about our troops over there. I am proud to be an American, but I am ashamed to be represented by these media @$$holes. :realmad:

Which photo?
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I'm not sure which one it was. I was scrolling through them, and I thought I saw some AK-47's. That line was more of a question. I'll see if I can find it again, and post a link. When I made that post, I was mad because of the fact that my keyboard now has a very unique smell, and I was just spouting off. I re edited it, and all the $$^%*% had something else when I first posted it.
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May 11 2004, 10:43 PM
I'm not sure which one it was. I was scrolling through them, and I thought I saw some AK-47's. That line was more of a question. I'll see if I can find it again, and post a link. When I made that post, I was mad because of the fact that my keyboard now has a very unique smell, and I was just spouting off. I re edited it, and all the $$^%*% had something else when I first posted it.

One thing that's really pissin' me off about the media is that they're really down playing what was done.

ABC radio news are saying the that they "quickly cut off his head".

That's total bull ... these sick pucks SAWED HIS HEAD OFF and the whole ordeal of cutting off the young man's head took at least 30 seconds to a minute to complete.

Not only am I ready for the military to start shooting everyone of those sick freaks without a second thought, but there are a few US senators that need to be included in that too!
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I looked at the pic I was referring to again, and I was wrong. Its an M16.

I am going to start a reaction thread to this, because I think that it is worthy of a thread all its own. I'll have it up in 30 minutes.
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I dont want to see the video, dont need to.
They showed part of the video on the news over here, before the gruesome act with Berg sitting in front of the animals in that orange get up.

That was chilling enough, I think the news here handled it quite well, they used words such as 'sickening, atrocius and despicable'

We were disappointed with the photos of Iraqi prisoners being humiliated, but nothing that was done to the Iraqis compares to this kind of sickening act.

Its time to play Cowboys and Muslims!
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May 12 2004, 12:28 AM
Its time to play Cowboys and Muslims!

Americans already started playin' it 2 years ago.
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You know what? I really doubt that the press will accurately cover this murder. It will take away from the horrible attrocities that the evil American Army is perpetrating on those poor Iraqi freedom fighters in prison.

In any case, historically speaking, we would be well within our rights to take some form of retribution against Al Quida. Let's take a look at history. In WWII, the Allies did the following things in retribution for actions taken by the Axis.

America: Bombed German cities and dropped nuclear weapons on Japan. Executed German POWs when SS fanatics attacked Allied units after the war.

Britain: Heavily bombed German cities in response to attacks on London. Heavily considered using chemical weapons.

France: Pulled out of an occupied city that was being attacked by Nazi partisans and shelled it for a full day before re-entering it. Yes, there were civilians in the town.

Russia: Coined the phrase "Kill ten people and it is a tragedy, kill a million, and it is a statistic".

So what are we going to do in response to this? Nothing. We could easily line up 100 prisoners in Guantanimo Bay and light them up with napalm and we would now be legally justified to do so. Why? Because the Geneva Convention is out the window. But of course the weaker hearts in America would never stand for that. One has to wonder how barbarous these executions would have to be before the doves of the world finally saw the light. Given the fact that they didn't get the picture with the tortures inflicted on Russian soldiers in Chechnya, I doubt it would take anything less then something along the lines of what Vlad the Impaler used to do.

Islam is fast becoming the Imperial Japan of the 21st century. These are people who will reason with you only to further their own ends and will just as soon turn on you. This applies not only to the leaders, but to the common people as well. Want proof? I could give you dozens of accounts by soldiers telling about how they would escort an Iraqi family to school or the market only to find members of that same family shooting back at them that very same day.

It doesn't matter how many acts of kindness we give to these people, they are still going to hate us. We rebuild schools, power plants, and water purifiers, and they kill the unarmed workers that constructed them. We give Iraq a police force and an army to defend itself with after we are gone, and they attack them as traitors. We keep American soldiers away from Islamic festivals so that they don't feel threatened while celebrating, and they blame us when they are attacked by other Islamists. At this point, we may as well stop trying because we are just banging our heads on a brick wall.

As I said before, take a look at Imperial Japan. You have Bushido, which was the way of life for Japanese people for hundreds of years. Though it was on par with European chivalry, it was later perverted into something evil. Not only that, but down to the lowest peasent, almost every Japanese person followed Bushido heart and soul. Had the Allies invaded Japan, we would have had to decimate the whole population.

So what did we do? We got the head of Bushido to tell his people to change their ways. The Emperor himself told the Japanese that America was in charge now. That is the only way that we will see a change from Islamic people. While I doubt that we can get Allah on the radio to tell the Muslems to stand down, we can get to the clerics. It is the clerics that incite the majority of the Muslems to violence, you need to either FORCE them to preach your viewpoint, or you need to wipe them out.

So where should we start? My first inclination would be to call in ahead to Masjid Al-Haram in Mecca, allow 5 minutes for them to evacuate, then wipe it off the map. Every attack against Americans will result in another holy site being destroyed.

Does this make me sound racist? Well if it does, then I will proudly admit that I am anti-Muslem now. They are uncivilized, dishonorable beasts that want nothing but the total destruction of anything that isn't Islamic. I have yet to hear any of the Muslems in America speaking out against the beheading. It wouldn't even surprise me anymore if some of them were celebrating.

We dropped two nuclear weapons on Japan and they turned out just fine. We flattened German cities and their nation is peaceful as a lamb. Given the fanatical followings of Nazism and Bushido, I bet that we could do a whole lot worse to the Middle East and the same thing would happen. Either take the gloves off and start the real fight or just leave. Nation building won't work on these animals until they fear us more then they fear their clerics.

P.S. Politics board moderators, please move this post to the reactions to Nick Berg outrage thread. I think that this thread should be about mourning the man, not talking about the barbaric people that did this to him.
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Showing the entire video (even if the image quality was good enough) on TV will achieve precisely NOTHING. The description of it given and our own vivid imaginations are more than capable of giving us all the gory excrusiatingly painful detail.

I personally hope that they broke through his spinal cord quickly so that he was dead almost immediately and didn't suffer. Otherwise it's hard to imagine a more excrusiatingly painful death. :sick:

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That's total bull ... these sick pucks SAWED HIS HEAD OFF and the whole ordeal of cutting off the young man's head took at least 30 seconds to a minute to complete.

I've had some experience at taking the heads off very large fish - there is more bone and flesh to cut through on a 75 - 80 lb jewfish than you'll get with even a big muscular man, and you have find a gap between the vertibrae in order to do the job in less than a minute even with my fishing knife, and it's kept razor sharp at all times.
I can well imagine that the butchers would chose to use a brade that is capable of sawing through bone if they don't know what they are doing. :sick: - NO I WILL NOT VIEW THE ENTIRE VIDEO.


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No, the Bush administration is not America at large. Did Hitler represent everybody in Germany? Did Mao represent everyone in China? Stalin in Russia? Hussein in Iraq? Of course not. There's at least half of the United States who disagree with the invasion of Iraq. So no, the ruling body doesn't represent everyone in a nation.


Especially since it is not compulsory to vote in the USA ,and conciderably less than 80% of the population bothered to vote when Bush Jr and his mob were elected.
So he represents only a minority of Americans.
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May 12 2004, 09:54 AM
Especially since it is not compulsory to vote in the USA ,and conciderably less than 80% of the population bothered to vote when Bush Jr and his mob were elected.
So he represents only a minority of Americans.

First you are assuming that the 80% who didn’t vote wouldn’t have voted for Bush, that alone discounts your statement.


But regardless - if the 80% didn’t vote then they have chosen to allow any one who wins represent them. The elected leaders of this country represent all beneath them. The President represents all of America, congress(wo)man represent all the people in their state, local governing bodies represent all the people in their town or city. Regardless of whether you voted for some one – if that some one has won the election they represent you. If you don’t like that representation vote them out of office.
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Especially since it is not compulsory to vote in the USA ,and conciderably less than 80% of the population bothered to vote when Bush Jr and his mob were elected.
So he represents only a minority of Americans.


Of course you must know nothing about statistics. You wrongfully assume that those who didn't vote didn't support George W. Bush. How do you know that they disliked/did not support Al Gore? You don't.

Compulsory voting? How comical! Last I heard, you don't have it either. On the other hand, your good buddy Saddam did. Amazing that he only received 97% support...

As for the comments from The Sisko earlier:

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No, the Bush administration is not America at large. Did Hitler represent everybody in Germany? Did Mao represent everyone in China? Stalin in Russia? Hussein in Iraq? Of course not. There's at least half of the United States who disagree with the invasion of Iraq. So no, the ruling body doesn't represent everyone in a nation.


It'd be nice if you cited leaders who WERE NOT despots. How about asking did Bill Clinton represent everyone in the US when he was president? Technically, he did. As for "at least half" disagreeing with the liberation of Iraq, do you remember when we went in? Over 70% supported it. After the liberation of Baghdad, over 80% supported it. There were the die-hards who wouldn't support ANYTHING George Bush did. The problem is that too many in this country have no spine for sacrifice, no guts for seeing a job done, and no patience at all...
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