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Just when you think it can't get any worse
Topic Started: May 10 2004, 03:42 PM (353 Views)
Dandandat
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Time to put something here
It’s quite simple, the reason we cant win this war, and untimely why we wont be able to defeat terrorism is because we cant agree on anything and not for the right reasons. We are fighting two battles, one here at home (in the western world) and one out side. The problem is the one here is way to distracting, we cant come together long enough to make any good decisions and polices. So the enemy will win because we will let them and when that happens it will be a lot worse then just losing Iraq.

If you try to remove a hornets nest to make the play ground safer you are asking for trouble. If you try to do it with one hand and both legs tied behind your back you are asking for defeat.
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ImpulseEngine
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May 10 2004, 06:44 PM
Arresting someone by mistake is no great crime. It happens all the time in the USA as well as other countries. Is a security force supposed to march into an area an immediately know who is guilty and who is innocent?

There is also the idea of a trial to determine guilt.

I have no problem accepting some level of error, but the report says 70-90%! If accurate, those numbers suggest a lot more than an acceptable margin of error - they suggest incompetence. It would also make me wonder if a lot of guilty have been mistakenly not arrested under the assumption they were innocent.

Now maybe the report is wrong, but unless and until that's established, it is cause for concern IMO.
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Dr. Noah
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That's the problem when you're an occupying force. The enemy could be anyone! You don't know who's got a bomb belt underneath their clothes. Similarly, in Vietnam, women and children would walk up to soldiers with a live grenade in thier pants. This is a bad situation. And there's no solid plan to change it.
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ImpulseEngine
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But there are reasons they chose to arrest the particular people that they did. How is it that those reasons ended up being 70-90% wrong (if that's correct). If accurate, it sounds to me like they need to change their arrest criteria because it's not working.
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Fesarius
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I wasn't sure where to post this.

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-- Islamic Web site linked to al Qaeda posts video that purports to show a man identified as American being beheaded.

Watch CNN or log on to http://CNN.com for the latest news.
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Sgt. Jaggs
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How about a Voyager Movie
Dandandat
May 11 2004, 10:59 AM
It’s quite simple, the reason we cant win this war, and untimely why we wont be able to defeat terrorism is because we cant agree on anything and not for the right reasons. We are fighting two battles, one here at home (in the western world) and one out side. The problem is the one here is way to distracting, we cant come together long enough to make any good decisions and polices. So the enemy will win because we will let them and when that happens it will be a lot worse then just losing Iraq.

If you try to remove a hornets nest to make the play ground safer you are asking for trouble. If you try to do it with one hand and both legs tied behind your back you are asking for defeat.

Exactly. Take the gloves off or else haul ass out of there.
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doctortobe
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Okay, I'm curious. A bit of time has passed since this was first posted. Has the report been proven correct or debunked?

There is a way that this report can be true without it being a major legal screwup depending on what the phrase "deprived of their liberty" means. If it means that the Iraqis were merely detained, then there is the distinct possibility that something happened, a large number of Iraqis were held for questioning, but none were arrested and put in prison. If this is the case, then it could easily be within the 70-90% value as the military could question dozens of Iraqis just to get the information to arrest one. This would mean that the Red Cross misreported this information and should seriously have their credibility as a neutral representative in areas of human rights questioned.

If the phrase means that the Iraqis were arrested. The question remains. Is the report true or false? If it is true, then there needs to be a lot of head banging within the ranks responsible for it. If it is false, then the same should happen to the Red Cross that was mentioned in the last paragraph.

In any case, I was unable to read the article because it requires a registration. Could somebody paste it on this thread?
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