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| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 30 2004, 10:02 AM (1,644 Views) | |
| Admiralbill_gomec | May 5 2004, 11:20 PM Post #46 |
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Torture is... what? |
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| Swidden | May 5 2004, 11:31 PM Post #47 |
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What you're not hearing, but is in fact quite wide spread, is the outrage amongst Americans. The simple fact is that this is not necessarily something endemic to the American miltary. Hence the reason for the investigation being conducted by the military as soon as this was reported. |
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| ds9074 | May 6 2004, 05:55 AM Post #48 |
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It wouldnt matter if this was technically legal, justified and it doesnt matter that this is not as bad a Saddam. We have suffered a major defeat in the battle to win over the trust and confidence of the Iraqis and we need to realise that. We rightly set ourselves high moral standards and so when we fail to live up to them a lot of damage is done. This is how a father of five was treated by the coalition:
That cannot surely be justified, it is totally against the values the we are supposed to stand for in the "civilised" world. |
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| Vger_art | May 6 2004, 08:34 AM Post #49 |
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I'm sorry admiral, I misunderstood. A little of topic but I want to say I agree with you this is a very valid question. Nobody seemed to care, the governments who really had the power to do something about it (European countries, the USA, China and Russia IMO) never did anything as far as I know. I fear the answer is everybody was too busy importing oil, selling weapons and making a nice profit :angry: We should ask the same question about the present. There are at least a dozen countries on the african continent alone with dictators violating human rights in the most horrible ways and a death toll in the hundreds of thousands. The "efforts" made here are laughable and IMO it's the same thing over and over: importing oil, selling weapons and making money
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| ImpulseEngine | May 6 2004, 11:03 AM Post #50 |
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Just great!
New pictures have surfaced. :angry: |
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| ds9074 | May 6 2004, 01:02 PM Post #51 |
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Well the USA and Great Britain did actually do something about Saddams regime. They invaded and took him out. |
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| Vger_art | May 6 2004, 02:02 PM Post #52 |
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Yes, and it only took 35 years of preperation... Sorry if I sound a bit cynical but we were talking about his victims 'during his era of terror' since 1968. |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | May 6 2004, 02:24 PM Post #53 |
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One thing I have to comment on, from an earlier post by Vger_art:
These were allegations made by detainees, these have not been proven. They have, however, been investigated but there are no conclusions yet. Here's another thing... at least we are investigating mistreatment. I don't see anyone in the Arab world doing the same, yet no one says a thing about it. |
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| ImpulseEngine | May 6 2004, 03:09 PM Post #54 |
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AB, The reason people complain about the US is because we've been busy pointing out the faults of the Arab world and claiming moral superiority. It gets a much higher profile when it's not expected of us and when we emphasize that we're above all that. But it would also be right to demand the same from the Arabs IMO. |
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| Vger_art | May 6 2004, 04:43 PM Post #55 |
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These are not allegations made by detainees but the findings of Major General Antonio M. Taguba. Taguba's report was completed late February, "Its conclusions about the institutional failures of the Army prison system were devastating." Also "After the (Article 32) hearing, the presiding investigative officer ruled that there was sufficient evidence to convene a court-martial." At least that's what the article said, you really should read it some day.
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| Admiralbill_gomec | May 6 2004, 10:08 PM Post #56 |
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Who is General Antonio M. Taguba? |
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| Adrian | May 6 2004, 11:35 PM Post #57 |
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Another big reason this is a disaster is that it may be the death knell of the last legitimate reason to go into Iraq: to set up a model democracy for the arab world. Now dictators in the area are point to the torture and saying "Hey, I'm bad. But do you want this type of democracy?". Most of the people would say that they would live with a tyrant if the other alternative was this type of nonsense. |
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| Dwayne | May 7 2004, 12:31 AM Post #58 |
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Another load of Leftist idiocy. You have no clue what most people would say, and your idiotic drivel reveals the very difference that makes America such a great country and a substantially different country from most any other. This type of crap happens in other Arab nations on a regular basis, but because of the nature of those regimes, you'll never hear about it, but in the US people are held to account for their actions. The thing lost on America haters world wide is the fact that the media did not break this story, then forced the military to respond, but the military had been investigating these alligation since November of 2003. Anyway this isn't torture ... information to be reposted - Wichita |
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| Vger_art | May 7 2004, 03:46 AM Post #59 |
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This guy |
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| Fesarius | May 7 2004, 08:01 AM Post #60 |
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^^^ Naw, that should only be used by the Oakland (and *not* L.A.) Raiders.
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These are not allegations made by detainees but the findings of Major General Antonio M. Taguba. Taguba's report was completed late February, "Its conclusions about the institutional failures of the Army prison system were devastating." Also "After the (Article 32) hearing, the presiding investigative officer ruled that there was sufficient evidence to convene a court-martial." At least that's what the article said, you really should read it some day.

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