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Enlarged British Zone in Iraq
Topic Started: Apr 26 2004, 02:42 PM (677 Views)
ds9074
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Its being reported that their are plans for British forces to take over in a much larger area of Southern Iraq extending right up into the hotspots of Shia resistance. The idea is that we send around 2000 more British troops and the NATO force in Germany is relocated to Iraq and placed under British command.

While this would be a heavy committment for us to take on I think it is at least worth trying. The American approach has seemed to fail so far to keep the peace and win over Iraqis. My view is give us a chance to see if we can turn this around, although everyone is well aware that it will be a lot harder than Basra.
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Dr. Noah
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What are you saying? We're not being welcomed as liberators?
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Are the British forces in Iraq subservient to General Abizaid or is there some other arrangement between them and the US forces?
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Admiralbill_gomec
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ds9074
Apr 26 2004, 02:42 PM
Its being reported that their are plans for British forces to take over in a much larger area of Southern Iraq extending right up into the hotspots of Shia resistance. The idea is that we send around 2000 more British troops and the NATO force in Germany is relocated to Iraq and placed under British command.

While this would be a heavy committment for us to take on I think it is at least worth trying. The American approach has seemed to fail so far to keep the peace and win over Iraqis. My view is give us a chance to see if we can turn this around, although everyone is well aware that it will be a lot harder than Basra.

Okay, so there are plans. Does this mean that it will happen, or that it is being discussed. I'm happy to see the British do this, if it happens.

A question to The Sisko... do you think they are doing this because we are pressuring the Brits, or because they would do what they think is RIGHT?

In addition, your tone sounds an awful lot like you are rubbing your hands together, expecting casualties... :angry:
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Dr. Noah
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God no!! Please don't misunderstand, I realize my sarcasm is a little over the top at times, but I in no way want to see anybody hurt. I am simply pointing out that this isn't what we were led to believe it would be by the administration last year when it started.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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We're at war. You don't joke about it, no matter who the administration.

As for being welcomed, you do realize that nearly 80% of Iraqis STILL want us there...
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Apr 26 2004, 09:01 PM
God no!! Please don't misunderstand, I realize my sarcasm is a little over the top at times, but I in no way want to see anybody hurt. I am simply pointing out that this isn't what we were led to believe it would be by the administration last year when it started.

Personal Opinion

In Your Opinion

I heard the President say many times that it would take a long time.

My little corner of the world has sent several guard units and a number of soldiers. I find it interesting that those returning think that Bill is being pessimistic when he says 80% of Iraqi's are glad for the Coalition forces being in Iraq. I find it odd that the news media tells a very different story from men and women who have actually been there are saying.

No, there is nothing about war that is pretty - which is what the President said.

End of Personal Opinion
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Dr. Noah
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Personal opinion: I think some of you are mistaking sarcasm for humor. Sarcasm is used in many ways, one of which is humor, but it can mean many different things. I remember myself the administration repeating that the U.S. would be welcomed as liberators. The people I know who are on leave and have to return as thier stay has been extended are disheartened by the situation and say the feeling is widespread, that troops are unsure as to thier objectives and thier effectiveness. They cannot identify the enemy from regular civilians and end up suspecting everyone which is a bad situation for both the occupier and the occupyee. This is my own perception, though based on what I read in the paper everyday (associated press) and from people I know who are stationed there. I am sure others have a different perspective. Unfortunately more young adults will have to die before the situation changes and that makes me very sad. I wish that when we decided to invade regardless of false WMD intelligence that the president had an exit strategy like his father did.
Apparently, the exit date gets continually pushed back regardless of our asking the UN for thier assistance and our training of Iraqi security forces. Hopefully something will change to improve the situation for both our troops and the citizens of Iraq.
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Wichita
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Sisko, you are adding 2 + 2 and coming up with 11. ;)

Have a good night. :)
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Fesarius
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Sisko, you are adding 2 + 2 and coming up with 11.

Usually this only happens to those that stare at Richard Dean Anderson for too long a time.... :wow: :wave2: ;)
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Dr. Noah
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Wichita: No, I am stating an opinion that you do not share. It is neither incorrect or misinformed. Millions of other Americans share this opinion regardless of the percentage of those on this site. Because you do not agree with my perspective does not make me wrong or misinformed. Good night to you.
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ds9074
Apr 26 2004, 02:42 PM
The American approach has seemed to fail so far to keep the peace and win over Iraqis.

ds9074: I don't agree with much that the Bush administration has done in Iraq, but I don't think that any approach will work. A large enough percentage of the people in that area of the world DO NOT want us there that no approach will work.

Particularly irksome to me is the footage of "townspeople" cheering and celebrating over the injuries/deaths of American soldiers. These kinds of scenes make me wonder why we're pouring billions of dollars into that part of the world.

I cannot envision a positive conclusion to our occupation of Iraq - regardless of how long we're there fighting, regardless of how much money we pour into that region of the world. I want the USA out of Iraq - out of Afghanistan.
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Admiralbill_gomec
Apr 26 2004, 04:14 PM
We're at war. You don't joke about it, no matter who the administration.

As for being welcomed, you do realize that nearly 80% of Iraqis STILL want us there...

Admiralbill_gomec: don't you think that percentages are misleading in circumstances like this? I mean, what good is a silent 80% when the fanatical 20% is mobilizing to kill our 130,000 troops.

And if we expand the percentages to include the whole Arab world (which basically HATES us) we're looking at millions and millions (whatever 20% of 1,500,000,000+ Arabs is) who will do whatever it takes to extricate us from their land.

And the happy 80% sit by and watch.

** time for us to get the heck out of there
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Admiralbill_gomec
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NO! Never!

We will NOT slink away from another one (like in Vietnam).

Benetil, you can't please everyone, and I'd rather have 80% happy with us. If I said that 99% were happy with our presence, you'd probably counter that there's that 1% who wants to kill us.

We will end terrorism. Only cowards run away. We are not cowards.

End of message.
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Fesarius
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We will end terrorism. Only cowards run away. We are not cowards.  End of message.

AB,

You know, you might try running for office with words like that. Straight, and to the point. It reminds me of a public service announcement of years gone by. ;)

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