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| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 26 2004, 02:36 PM (357 Views) | |
| ds9074 | Apr 26 2004, 02:36 PM Post #1 |
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This is the letter which has been sent by over 50 senior British diplomats to the Prime Minister. I think Blair should take this seriously and needs to address some of these concerns. They cannot simply be dismissed a 'left wingers' these are eminent and respected people with experience of the middle east. In my opinion Parliament must debate this matter in the national interest rather than the semi-secretative dicussion behind closed doors.
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Apr 26 2004, 04:20 PM Post #2 |
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Well, they are... First of all, it sounds a lot like they are saying, "This ain't gonna work. Let's give up and abandon Israel and Iraq." Their descriptions of policies as "one-sided and illegal" are opinion, not based on fact.
How would they describe it? These resistors ARE terrorists, Saddam loyalists (fanatics), Islamofascists (fanatics) and foreigners (from Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Syria, Iran, and Afghanistan). These diplomats are, plainly and simply, moral cowards. |
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| Fesarius | Apr 26 2004, 04:39 PM Post #3 |
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IMO, it would be foolish for anyone to give up on Israel. The prophetic writings are to my understanding quite clear on this. I am *very* happy that the U.S. is an ally of Israel, and vice-versa. [I can hear Kirk in the back of my mind saying, 'Never mind what the prophecy says!'--from Return of the Archons.] |
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| Dr. Noah | Apr 26 2004, 06:26 PM Post #4 |
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You think we should base foreign policy based on religious dogma? |
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| Fesarius | Apr 26 2004, 06:29 PM Post #5 |
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I don't accept that it is dogma, so I cannot provide an answer for you that would be acceptable.
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| Dr. Noah | Apr 26 2004, 06:30 PM Post #6 |
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OK, let me rephrase it. You think we should make decisions about foreign policy based on an interpretation of the Bible? |
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| Fesarius | Apr 26 2004, 06:32 PM Post #7 |
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I believe that it is extremely wise of the United States to retain Israel as our ally. That's all I'm going to say on that publically. (BTW, I had a response prepared for you in the 'Troop Shortage' thread, but I lost it! I will compose it again soon. :)) |
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| Dr. Noah | Apr 26 2004, 06:46 PM Post #8 |
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I'll take that as a yes. Unfortunately, your position is a widely held one. Until we stop making decisions based on religion we'll never be able to be seen as a neutral authority in the world. That can only work against us, it's part of the problems were now facing. |
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| Fesarius | Apr 26 2004, 07:07 PM Post #9 |
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This may be true. However, I base nearly all of the decisions in my life on my faith. It's what defines me. I guess you're happy I'm not the President, eh?
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Apr 26 2004, 07:15 PM Post #10 |
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Who said we do this, and do you have proof, or is this another anti-religion spiel? |
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| Minuet | Apr 26 2004, 07:22 PM Post #11 |
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^^^Actually Bill, he was responding to this statement by Fesarius
So it was a fair question IMO. |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Apr 26 2004, 08:13 PM Post #12 |
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Widely held by whom? Please don't say "The White House." |
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| Intrepid2002 | Apr 26 2004, 09:35 PM Post #13 |
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ds9074, What prompted this letter to the prime minister? I read this letter and I read something different from what the other posters are eluding to. This is just my opinion but I don't get the impression that they are saying, "Let's abandon Israel and Iraq". Not at all. It sounds to me as if they are expressing concern as to which direction this conflict is going. To express concern does not merit being called a moral coward. A moral coward is one who cowers to the overwhelming influence of one more powerful. A moral coward is one who follows blindly without conviction. In fact, maybe speaking up is characteristic of a brave people. To me, it sounds like an expression of concern, not abandonment. So what did Prime Minister Blair do with this letter? Sweep it under the rug and shrug it off to leftist politics? |
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| ds9074 | Apr 27 2004, 07:54 AM Post #14 |
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Thank goodness there are some people out there who can actually read something without simply jumping to conclusion because it happens to challenge their opinion. These people are not saying we should abandon anyone, nor that we should not be allied to Israel, simply the current direction of things is wrong. I think Blair will publically not take much action, but behind the scenes there will be concerns. Primarily the concern is that the currently people in the Foreign Office has very similar views to these retired diplomats. |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Apr 27 2004, 07:59 AM Post #15 |
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I can read something without jumping to conclusion. I'm also pretty well versed in "diplo-speak". Terms like "all those wasted months" indicate, in diplo-speak, "let's dump this turkey because I have tennis with the Prime Minister of Kunzinkistan." I stand by my accusations of moral cowardice (as in not having the guts to see something through, no matter how hard, because it IS the right thing to do) as well. Sorry, I've met some of these people before. They always look for the easy way out. |
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