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Justification not possible; IDF uses human shields
Topic Started: Apr 24 2004, 01:38 AM (365 Views)
somerled
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I saw video of this child last night on SBS World News, he was crying, and shaking uncontrollably and was obviously terrified, and was tied to the bonnet of an IDF vehicle with business like soldiers inside and firing through the windows (presumeably rubber rounds at Palestinian protestors).

I was appalled but had to wait until now to post as this was breaking news and I couldn't find a source on the net.

Read it for yourself : Israeli military uses human shields (children and even Palestinian simpathetic Rabbis)
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- bloody disgusting and criminal !


(This is not the first time - ie
Israel's human shields draw fire )
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Swidden
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I would certainly never attempt to justify the use of anyone as a human shield. As the article itself points out it is being further investigated by the Israeli Justice Ministry and their Supreme Court had already banned the use of human shields. My expectation is that the officers involved will face disciplinary action. Though I do not expect that there will be much, if any follow-up reports to indicate what disciplinary action(s) is/are carried out. Please note: That the circumstance in which this occurred was not a fire fight, but a mob throwing stones, so any consequences handed down may not be as severe as some might wish.

This is not a type of action endorsed by the Israeli government.
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bonja
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somerled- You are blaming the whole for the actions of a few.

Did you read the part in the story where it says an Israeli human rights
organization- Rabbis for Human Rights made the complaint. As Swidden pointed out, this action is illegal and was banned by the Isreali Supreme Court and I am also certain the officers involved will be disciplined.







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somerled
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I did. (I posted the link as well as extracts) ref:.

Quote:
 
Read it for yourself : Israeli military uses human shields (children and even Palestinian simpathetic Rabbis )
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Admiralbill_gomec
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I noticed the following:

Israeli human rights activists have accused border police of using a 13-year-old Palestinian as a human shield.
Rabbis for Human Rights say that Mohammed Badwan was tied by police to a jeep during a recent demonstration in the West Bank village of Bidou.


and:

Activists claim Mohammed was tied to the jeep by police

and:

Israel's Supreme Court banned the use of human shields in 2002.

So, it is against the law. An accusation has been made, and it will be investigated.

Do you really think that all Israeli military officials do this, Somerled?? By the way, there is NO SUCH THING AS A PALESTINIAN RABBI. It would be like having a black Klansman.
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Dandandat
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discusting - just as discusting as using children as human bombs. The whole lot of them should just be stomped on.
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Admiralbill_gomec
Apr 24 2004, 08:13 AM
It would be like having a black Klansman.

:loling: :loling: :loling: :loling:
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Minuet
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Ok, let's try this in language you can understand Somerled.

The difference between the Kenesset and the Palestinian Authority.

Palestinian Authority - 1) pays the families of homicide bombers 2)cheers the death of Israelies 3)wants to wipe out the entire nation of Israel and 4) most important of all uses thier own people as human shields


Kenesset - 1) pays visits to families of dead children 2) mourns the deaths of people on both sides of the conflict 3) has offered peace and had it rejected numerous times so is now pulling out unilateraly and 4) will admit when mistakes are made and take the time to actually outlaw practices such as this. I can guarentee that the soldiers responsible will see some jail time. Can the same be said for Arafat, who has himself used his own people as human shields?

I am not condoning this action nor am I denying it occured. Just pointing out the difference in the way each side would handle it.

BTW - this also goes to the conversation we were having previously regarding the freedom of the press in Israel. Do you still think the press is supressed from printing negative stories? If so, then how do you explain this one getting out?
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In regards to the press issue, the BBC is the reporting authority cited here and foreign press agencies often have greater degree of latitude in matter such as this. I expect that it has likely been reorted in the Israeli press as well but I would also expect there might be a slightly different editorial slant. My first guess, and this is purely speculative, would be that the soldiers in question may assert that this was one of the stone throwers and that he was hand cuffed to the jeep in the course of being detained for his actions. Hence the need for the accusations to be fully investigated.
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ANOVA
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Israeli police spokesman Gil Kleiman said: "It's unclear what happened, we do not expose civilians to physical damage willingly."

The case is to be investigated by the Israeli Justice Ministry.


Wow, Somerled, you certainly proved your point to me. That is if your point is.

A free democracy, investigates alledged wrong doings, it doesn't instiutionalize them as is the habit with Hamas.

I bet the investigation ends up on Israeli TV. Little Mohammed will be allowed to testify before the Isreali government. Lets see the so called Palestinian Authority allow a Jew to testify against an Arab muslim.

Will you please refer to the Arabs of the occupied terratories as such. Indingenious Jews have a much longer standing claim to the term Palestinian then do the Arabs, Try 1,800 BC. That's before Christ, not before Common Era.

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Minuet
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Swidden
Apr 24 2004, 05:36 PM
In regards to the press issue, the BBC is the reporting authority cited here and foreign press agencies often have greater degree of latitude in matter such as this. I expect that it has likely been reorted in the Israeli press as well but I would also expect there might be a slightly different editorial slant. My first guess, and this is purely speculative, would be that the soldiers in question may assert that this was one of the stone throwers and that he was hand cuffed to the jeep in the course of being detained for his actions. Hence the need for the accusations to be fully investigated.

Swidden I brought up the press issue only because in a previous thread Somerled made the false claim that Israel suppresses the press and does not allow negative stories to be aired. He was refering to the foreign press in the occupied territories at the time. So your assertion that the BBC would have more latitude actually confirms what I am saying.
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somerled
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The rabbi involved is an Israeli, and a member of a human rights organisation who oppose the tactics of the IDF, it was them who provided the video and eye-witness account to the BBC (probably smuggled at some risk to them selves).
The rabbi mentioned was actually detained and given a hard tme by the IDF personnel (read the story).

I have noticed that local commercial stations have not even mentioned the story, only the ABC and SBS (who are not commercial and broadcast without fear or favour).

Has the story been aired over there ? (I'm betting no , commercial networks want to get advertising revenue from the government.)
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24thcenstfan
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No there is no justification for using kids as human shields. However, unlike with the Palestinian Authority, I am confident that those who allegedly committed this wrong doing will be arrested, tried and properly punished.
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Swidden
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somerled
Apr 24 2004, 07:31 PM
The rabbi involved is an Israeli, and a member of a human rights organisation who oppose the tactics of the IDF, it was them who provided the video and eye-witness account to the BBC (probably smuggled at some risk to them selves).
The rabbi mentioned was actually detained and given a hard tme by the IDF personnel (read the story).

I have noticed that local commercial stations have not even mentioned the story, only the ABC and SBS (who are not commercial and broadcast without fear or favour).

Has the story been aired over there ? (I'm betting no , commercial networks want to get advertising revenue from the government.)

It has aired here. I saw it on both the NBC and CBS broadcast networks and at least two of my local stations. And, yes, I read both links...

As for government sourced advertising revenue, our commercial networks can and do survive just fine without it. There are considerably more corporations willing to spend the money on advertising. Even if all government advertising revenue stopped tomorrow, there would be plenty left coming from the private sector.
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somerled
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Swidden :

Were the reports similar to the BBC report ?
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