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| doctortobe | Apr 27 2004, 09:29 AM Post #31 |
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Somerland, I gave you the answer up above and I'm not going to repeat it. Suffice to say, if I were able to have as much control over those people as the terrorists do, I could probably get them to throw a jubilant celebration after killing all their children. |
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| gvok | Apr 27 2004, 10:03 AM Post #32 |
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I guess I still feel a little uneasy with the term "homocide bomber". True, we don't want to encourage the practice of suicide bombing by somehow glorifying the bomber. However, I think that ignoring or covering up the fact that the bomber is commiting suicide by changing the name to "homocide bomber" smacks of propaganda and cover up. In my opinion, we should call it suicide bomber because the term carries more information than the other term. We should not try to cover this up out of fear that someone might hear the word suicide and then admire the bomber. I don't really think this happens anyway. |
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| Minuet | Apr 27 2004, 10:35 AM Post #33 |
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Well since you are obviously in one of your stubborn moods today I will repost both Doctortobe's response and my own. After all we wouldn't want you to feel we ignored your question even though you constantly ignore ours.
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Apr 27 2004, 10:53 AM Post #34 |
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But he is not committing suicide, he is committing homicide. I explained it earlier. A "suicide" bomber would go off into a field somewhere and blow HIMSELF up. A "homicide" bomber blows himself up in a crowd of people to kill them too. This is not propaganda, it is simply truth. In fact, the term "suicide bomber" carries less information, because it neglects to mention the others killed.. |
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| doctortobe | Apr 27 2004, 12:35 PM Post #35 |
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In fact, is not the term suicide bomber not a propoganda piece for the terrorists? How does the term homicide bomber cover up anything? If it does anything, it exposes the attacks for what they really are. |
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| gvok | Apr 27 2004, 12:52 PM Post #36 |
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I understand what you are saying. I don't think that homocide precludes suicide however. |
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| doctortobe | Apr 27 2004, 12:54 PM Post #37 |
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But which is the greater wrong? |
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| gvok | Apr 27 2004, 12:57 PM Post #38 |
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I don't think the muslim extremists refer to them as suicide bombers. It's not really propaganda unless you think suicide is a moral action -- or if you think suicide in the process of commiting murder is a moral action. I say suicide bomber carries more information because it explains the manner in which the murder was carried forth. Everyone knows that a murder is taking place when the term "suicide bomber" is being used. I'm not defending the action in any way. I simply feel uneasy with the term "homocide bomber" because it seems artifical and propagandist. Just my opinion and you are certainly welcome to yours. |
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| Swidden | Apr 27 2004, 01:20 PM Post #39 |
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^^^ I guess this is why we have the more generic term of "terrorist" to go hand in hand with these bombers... |
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| gvok | Apr 27 2004, 01:22 PM Post #40 |
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I think understand your point, that "suicide bomber" emphasizes the act of suicide over the act of homicide. I think that's legetimate. However, the term "suicide bomber" has been used for so long that it has become the accepted term for the act of strapping a bomb to your chest and blowing up in a pubic place so as to kill other people. So, when everyone knows that suicide bomber means this, it seems (to me) artificial and propagandist to all of the sudden change the terminology. |
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| doctortobe | Apr 27 2004, 01:27 PM Post #41 |
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But in the Muslem world, taking your own life while killing innocents is considered moral, heroic even. But when you get right down to it, they are commiting murder, and they are commiting a whole lot more murder then they are suicide. That is a FACT, not opinion. Why would you want to name a horrid act like this in a light that makes it seem heroic in the enemies' eyes? It is murder, plain and simple. |
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| gvok | Apr 27 2004, 01:34 PM Post #42 |
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That's not exactly true. In the Muslim world suicide is forbidden. The Muslims refer to suicide bombers as martyrs. Those are FACTS. So, I don't buy the argument that the term suicide is somehow equivilent to heroic. |
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| doctortobe | Apr 27 2004, 04:58 PM Post #43 |
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Ah, but you see the act of becoming a martyr has nothing to do with killing other people. It is willingly sacrificing yourself rather then giving up your beliefs. Now, that in itself is not suicide. If the Muslem community does consider the suicide bombers to be martyrs, yet they are not commiting suicide, therefore the term suicide bomber is not an accurate description of the action being carried out. Since murder is involved and not suicide, the term homicide bomber IS the most accurate term to apply to the attacks. |
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| somerled | Apr 27 2004, 07:42 PM Post #44 |
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| Minuet | Apr 27 2004, 09:37 PM Post #45 |
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Another enlightened comment from Somerled |
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