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| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 23 2004, 12:44 PM (688 Views) | |
| gvok | Apr 23 2004, 12:44 PM Post #1 |
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Some time ago President Bush encouged the use of the term "Homocide" bombing instead of the term "Suicide" bombing. I've noticed Fox News has adopted the practice. I'm assuming "Suicide" implies myrterdom and therefore glorifies the act somehow -- but I'm not sure it makes much sense to change the term in this sense. Anyone out there in favor of the term "Homicide" bomber? Can you give your rational? |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Apr 23 2004, 12:48 PM Post #2 |
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I'm in favor of it. A suicide bomber could simply strap TNT to himself, walk out into the middle of a deserted field, yell, "Arafat akbar!" and detonate. THAT is suicide. Blowing yourself up in the middle of a group of commuters, or in a club, or restaurant for the purpose of killing as many people as possible... THAT is homicide! |
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| gvok | Apr 23 2004, 12:52 PM Post #3 |
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So "Homicide" is a better description than "Suicide" because the term "Suicide" neglects to take into account the victims of the attack. I guess that makes sense. |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Apr 23 2004, 12:54 PM Post #4 |
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That's the way I see it, anyway. Of course others may not see it as homicide, but instead see these people as some distorted view of freedom fighter. |
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| Yo-Yo | Apr 23 2004, 01:27 PM Post #5 |
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To me 'homicide' bomber makes more sense i guess, but i'm really used to the older term. |
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| fireh8er | Apr 23 2004, 02:43 PM Post #6 |
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It makes sense to call it what it is, Homocide!(IMO) |
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| Swidden | Apr 23 2004, 06:08 PM Post #7 |
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The point of these terrorists is not solely to sacrifice their lives, but to take innocent lives. Note that this recent series in Iraq, killed more civilians (estimates include approximately 20 children) than any police or military personnel. When the point is to take the life/lives of another/others then this clearly fits the definition of homicide. If these guys did this in the midst of a stand-up fight with military personnel, I would be a bit more ambivalent about what word one uses, but their targets, more often than not, are innocent civilians. |
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| somerled | Apr 24 2004, 01:06 AM Post #8 |
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Just a cynical play on words for propoganda purposes , and an attempt to change the language to suit narrow political ends (by spin doctors). The wording used to describe the act is important to those who are trying to make a political point. Homocide gains no sympathy , suicide can gain a simpathetic response. The people killed by them are just as dead. Let us perhaps call the doctrime of preemption the doctrime of offensive first strike. |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Apr 24 2004, 08:15 AM Post #9 |
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I guess you have a problem with the legal definition of homicide, then? You were the first to accuse the Israelis of using human shields. I'm still unaware of the letter "m" in the word "doctrine." |
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| Dandandat | Apr 24 2004, 09:39 AM Post #10 |
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Thos who wantonly kill innocent people to suit their narrow political ends disserve no sympathy. A Buddhist monk who sets him self aflame in protest is a suicide arsonist. A man who kills children with TNT is a homicide bomber. |
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| somerled | Apr 24 2004, 09:45 PM Post #11 |
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The question is why these young people are choosing to kill themselves and to attack Israel the way they do ? We have a concept here - murder suicide (where the murderer kills him/her self), which is probably more applicable. |
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| Dandandat | Apr 24 2004, 09:51 PM Post #12 |
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That probably would be the best term as it encompasses all that is going on. Because they are being mislead by power hungry leaders, who want nothing more then the violence to continue. The first day of peace will be the last day Arafat and others are important and they don’t want that. |
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| 24thcenstfan | Apr 24 2004, 10:19 PM Post #13 |
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I have used the term “homicide bomber” off and on for many years. I do think homicide bomber more accurately describes the viciousness of the suicide action. The suicide bomber isn’t simply blowing himself up to commit suicide, but going into a crowded area (e.g. buses, market place) to inflict harm (death) upon as many people as he (some females) can while he commits his suicide act. Furthermore, the term ‘homicide’ rightly takes away from the glorification (or martyrdom nature) of the act itself. The act itself isn’t glamorous or sacrificing in anyway, but it is pure indiscriminant destruction inflicted upon others (innocents). |
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| somerled | Apr 24 2004, 10:25 PM Post #14 |
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So you think the desperate economic circumstances the Palestinians have had to endure for the last few decades as a result of Israeli policies towards them has nothing to do with it ? As to Arafat's motivations ? |
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| Dandandat | Apr 24 2004, 10:43 PM Post #15 |
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I believe its the circumstances placed on the Palestinians by all groups in the regain (there Islamic brothers and the head terrorists as well) not just Israelis that makes them more susceptible to out side influence. But I do not believe this by it self would be enough to turn this deadly. It’s the actions of those at the top who are using this misfortune to their advantage and are steering the discomfort to their own power agendas rather then the good of the Palestinians. Yes in the past, and still today there are prejudices, but this world is working through this, I do believe if the terrorists leaders where to stop causing trouble, the Palestinian people would get all they want. I also believe these same leaders know this to be fact, and that they purposely keep this form happening so that they will not lose the power and prestige they now have. |
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