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| Why Kerry has no message; Bush is stating it already | |
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| Adrian | Apr 23 2004, 03:44 AM Post #16 |
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I try to say it without going into material that should be on the "Kerry for President" thread. A) Get the economy moving again i) tax cuts for businesses that hire domestically ii) crack down on corporate tax loopholes iv) roll back tax cuts for the rich B) Energy Independence C) Improve education D) Fully fund Special Education E) Make college easier to afford F) Reform heath care G) Help small farms against large agribuisness H) Bring in International organizations in Iraq, NATO forces under US commander I) More protections/support for nurses J) Support small business K) Pro-choice, advocate women's issues Okay these are just some pointed out on his home page and in a flyer I have. Like all canidates some are more specific than others, but he does have a platform. |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Apr 23 2004, 01:04 PM Post #17 |
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A) The economy is booming B) How can he support energy independence when he is against offshore and ANWR drilling, and against nuclear power? C) How will he improve education? President Bush just signed a MASSIVE increase in education funding. Will he throw more money at education? D) Special education is fully funded, by taxes. E) How much easier to afford is a GUARANTEED STUDENT LOAN? F) Over 80% of people surveyed (consistently) LIKE their health care. What you don't want to say is "British/Canadian style "National Health" plans" instead. G) How will he help small farms against agribusiness? By taxing agribusiness? H) There ARE international forces in Iraq. What are the Brits, the Poles, the Italians, the Japanese, et cetera? NATO is already being discussed by the Bush Administration I) More protection for nurses to do what? Nurse? J) How will he support small business? By taxing the "rich"? I have news for you, I'm a small business and I make a lot of money. Will I get a tax break? Doubtful. K) Pro-choice... you mean pro-abortion, right? So, aside from the fact that he supports abortion, what does he PLAN TO DO? I've visited his website. All I can see is that he wants to raise taxes, enact a buttload of new government spending, and expand government control. All I see is a myriad of "we should do this" type stuff, but no specifics. This is from a guy who won't even admit owning an SUV. You know, I really feel sorry for you Dems. You're stuck with this Dukakis-lite type candidate, and are trying your best to support him, but there's nothing there. |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Apr 23 2004, 01:06 PM Post #18 |
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On Earth Day, John Kerry demanded that (by 2015), all vehicles must average 36 miles per gallon. On the same day, he demanded that OPEC pump more oil. So which is it, John? |
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| ANOVA | Apr 23 2004, 06:06 PM Post #19 |
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That's becuase he doesn't own an SUV. It belongs to his greedy, outsourcing, Wal-Mart stock owning wife. Protect small farms against Argibussiness?! I live in Iowa and hate how anti Agribussiness some peoplr get. No small business desrves protection from competition. If a large company can increase productivity while adhereing to environmental regualations then why not. Too many people romanticize farming. My family has been off the farm for 3 generations now. Economic forces not wimsy should decide wether or not small farms survive. The Whole thing sounds French to me (remember french farmers driving their tractors into Paris to protest a possble loss of thier crack cocaine...er... I mean money..er..government protections) ANOVA |
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| Swidden | Apr 23 2004, 06:27 PM Post #20 |
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^^^ Like you Anova, I am from a multigenerational farm family. We do some ourselves and other parts are leased out. I mentioned in a different thread (the topic had turned to losing the family farm and taxes, links were provided to a real estate site) how much farms sell for in the Monterey Bay region. We have many corporate farming operations in this area (Dole, Driscoll Strawberry Assciates, Tanimura & Antle, and others). Given the crop types and land costs in this area corporate farming is what keeps farming viable here. |
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| ANOVA | Apr 24 2004, 05:45 PM Post #21 |
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^^^ Sorry Swidden, That should have read off the farm. Our family acreage is now part of a larger but privately held concern. I think that the biggest recipients of farm "protection" money have been john deere and john hancock. ANOVA |
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| Dandandat | Apr 24 2004, 10:11 PM Post #22 |
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Adrian, I know he is for these things. My problem is that I don’t know how he plans to accomplish these things. It all sounds good, but frankly I can stand up and say if you all elect me I will do these things. The problem is in no way could I ever accomplish them. For example, you say he is for "C) Improve education" Ok Kerry wants to set up a education trust fund so that all governmental sanctioned programs will get the proper funding they need. Ok sounds good, I want all governmental sectioned programs to get the proper funding they need. But isn’t that already the ideal goal of the government, to fund all programs that it sanctions (and not sanction programs it cant fund). So in reality this platform stands is nothing but words, common sense words at that. So then it comes down to, How does Kerry think he will accomplish these ideals. And that is where he is lacking. |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Apr 24 2004, 11:54 PM Post #23 |
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He'll just raise taxes on the "rich" like he has already pledged to do. The problem is his definition of "rich!" |
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| Dandandat | Apr 24 2004, 11:57 PM Post #24 |
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whats that? |
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| Swidden | Apr 25 2004, 12:02 AM Post #25 |
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^^^ Anyone with anything resembling a respectable income... |
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| ANOVA | Apr 25 2004, 09:11 AM Post #26 |
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Rich: Anyone with more income then you get. Nancey Pelosi and John Kerry have different income cut-offs the define rich for tax purposes. Kerry's cut-off is lower. ANOVA the anti-somerled |
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| Fesarius | Apr 25 2004, 10:23 AM Post #27 |
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I wonder, though if upper-middle class are considered part of the 'rich.' I don't for a moment consider my family and I to be rich in the 'monetary' sense. But I do consider us to be wealthy in the spiritual sense.
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| Dandandat | Apr 25 2004, 04:08 PM Post #28 |
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whats uper-middle class? |
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| Swidden | Apr 25 2004, 07:29 PM Post #29 |
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I am not what most would consider wealthy. My wife and I combined make a respectable income and we felt the benefits of the Bush Administration's tax cuts. And that level of income would likely set us in a bracket that would not benefit from Senator Kerry's targeted tax cuts.
That's a very good question. Depending on where one lives, it varies according to that area's standard of living. Not so the Federal definition, though. Let me put it this way: In the Monterey Bay Area a gallon of regular gas goes for about $1.989 (cheap gas stations) and up. Housing is among the most expensive you can find (a 3 bedroom, 2 bath, 1100 sq. ft. home near me just sold for $639,000, not a mansion by any measure). |
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| doctortobe | Apr 25 2004, 07:31 PM Post #30 |
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I believe that there are certain income areas for each "class". Fes is at the upper end of the middle class. |
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