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Why Kerry has no message; Bush is stating it already
Topic Started: Apr 21 2004, 03:19 PM (483 Views)
doctortobe
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Here it is, straight from the donkey's mouth. Ted Rall explains why John Kerry can only try to make people dislike George Bush instead of stating a countermessage to make the people like him better. In a nutshell, Kerry's plans are nearly a mirror image of George Bush's. Everything fell into place after I read this article. Why else would Kerry be foolish enough to not state the position he held on issues unless he would look the bigger fool by stating the same position as his opponent?

Here's the article.
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Fesarius
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I'm starting to wonder whom a better Democratic candidate might be. Anyone have names other than Kerry that might have a good chance?
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Kerry does not need a message. Most people who vote for him will do so because they are voting against Bush.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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Ted Rall is no friend of Bush; this is not some conservative bashing Kerry.

Better candidates than Kerry? Lieberman was the best the Democrats ran, but he wasn't telegenic enough*. He's honest in his belief, even though he and I don't agree on much. On the other hand, he believes in putting America first and actually HAD a platform, rather than the primary's Bush-bash fest.

(*He also sounded like the dad on ALF!)
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doctortobe
Apr 21 2004, 03:19 PM
Here it is, straight from the donkey's mouth. Ted Rall explains why John Kerry can only try to make people dislike George Bush instead of stating a countermessage to make the people like him better. In a nutshell, Kerry's plans are nearly a mirror image of George Bush's. Everything fell into place after I read this article. Why else would Kerry be foolish enough to not state the position he held on issues unless he would look the bigger fool by stating the same position as his opponent?

Here's the article.

Maybe it's called strategy. D's don't have the funds that the R's have so maybe their theory is, "sit back and let Bush hang himself on his own rope." ;)
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Admiralbill_gomec
Apr 21 2004, 04:42 PM
Ted Rall is no friend of Bush; this is not some conservative bashing Kerry.

Better candidates than Kerry? Lieberman was the best the Democrats ran, but he wasn't telegenic enough*. He's honest in his belief, even though he and I don't agree on much. On the other hand, he believes in putting America first and actually HAD a platform, rather than the primary's Bush-bash fest.

(*He also sounded like the dad on ALF!)

Ted Rall is an editorial cartoonist.
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doctortobe
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Ted Rall also often writes opinion pieces. If the Democrats have no money, perhaps it is because the party members don't have enough faith in their party to make donations? The money comes from the people, it is up to the Democrats to make people want to give their money.

If Kerry's lack of a message is strategy, then so is firing a gun while blindfolded. When has a candidate ever won for the SOLE reason that they hated the other candidate?
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Jimmy Carter???

One only need read Kerry's website to see that his only real message is that George Bush is terrible and I ain't him.

Read a little deeper and you see that most of what he proposes is what the afore mentioned terrible Bush has already proposed.
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doctortobe
Apr 21 2004, 05:25 PM
Ted Rall also often writes opinion pieces. If the Democrats have no money, perhaps it is because the party members don't have enough faith in their party to make donations? The money comes from the people, it is up to the Democrats to make people want to give their money.

If Kerry's lack of a message is strategy, then so is firing a gun while blindfolded. When has a candidate ever won for the SOLE reason that they hated the other candidate?

Relax. It was just a thought.

Can you honestly believe John Kerry has gotten to this point without a message? It's there, it's just not getting out there and MAYBE, he's not as good as distorting
the opponents message.

It's not that I don't have faith, I just don't have a lot of money to spare. I'm not a rich republican.

I truly believe these two men do NOT hate each other. They're seasoned politicians. It's their supporters who bring hate to the nth degree.

Firing a gun while blindfolded is tantamount to starting an ill planned war in Iraq. The strategy reference was my own thought NOT Kerry's campaign manager. Wichita has a point. It's going to be a long 8 months.

Till November ..... PEACE
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doctortobe
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Perhaps hate is a strong word. In any case, the fact that Ted Rall, a Democrat and Liberal so partisan that he makes four left turns to keep from going right, is saying that Kerry's plan of action closely mirrors the plan of Bush must mean something.

Also, with all of Hollywood and much of acadamia on the Democratic ticket, there should be no shortage of rich Democrats in the US.
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John Kerry makes statements, and then contradicts them. This is well documented. Remember when Ross Perot was a favorite, and he announced that he wasnt running, then changed his mind? This is the same thing, except for the fact that Kerry is contradicting himself on policy issues. He's a moron.
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Intrepid2002
Apr 21 2004, 10:09 PM
Can you honestly believe John Kerry has gotten to this point without a message?  It's there, it's just not getting out there and MAYBE, he's not as good as distorting
the opponents message.

I can honestly believe John Kerry has gotten to this point without a message. All indications point to yes. I hate political parties so I always take both candidates seriously. But seriously Kerry's platform is a peace of plywood, he has not given any definite answer as to why I should vote for him or what he will do if elected. He does say things like he wants to set up an education trust fund. But these plans are very vague and have no meat behind them. I would love for an education trust fund to be set up the way he describes it - it sounds like a good idea. But he does not tell me how in the world he plans to get it accomplished so that I am weigh its validity. Kerry's only true stance and the corner stone to his campaign is that he his not president Bush. This is not what makes a president.

Now the president on the other hand, has an easier time of it - this is true. he is the incumbent which means we all know how he operates, giving him the advantage in this regard. But that’s the price you must pay for running against an incumbent. You have to work twice as hard to get your message out. Kerry is not doing that and it rightfully hurts him. Clinton had the same problem, but he worked it hard enough until he was elected.

In my opinion I believe the DNC expected, when they set this cores, that the would lose the election and now still think (even though the odds are getting much better for them) they will lose. There for they have their eyes on the 08 elections and aren’t putting their whole heart into this one.

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It's not that I don't have faith, I just don't have a lot of money to spare.  I'm not a rich republican.
why make a blanket assumption like this. My grandfather is by no means rich, yet he always contributes to the republican election fund.

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Firing a gun while blindfolded is tantamount to starting an ill planned war in Iraq.  The strategy reference was my own thought NOT Kerry's campaign manager.
Very true, good thing the war wasn’t ill planned and things have been going quite smoothly compared to other wars.

What’s this talk about not having an exit strategy, just because we are still in when it hasnt even been a year? Didn’t the president in every speech he made prier to the war say this was going to be long and hard? and didn’t he say we would stay the duration? At least that’s what I heard.
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8247
Apr 21 2004, 11:20 PM
John Kerry makes statements, and then contradicts them. This is well documented. Remember when Ross Perot was a favorite, and he announced that he wasnt running, then changed his mind? This is the same thing, except for the fact that Kerry is contradicting himself on policy issues. He's a moron.

Same can be said of Bush. There are a lot of instances out there where he's flopped and well as the others.

It's not a one man crime. But I think you all know this already.

Like I say, there's a whole lot of similarities between the two. The argument that Kerry is a flip flopper and Bush isn't doesn't hold water with me.

I have my doubts.
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Dandandat
Apr 22 2004, 08:10 AM
Intrepid2002
Apr 21 2004, 10:09 PM
Can you honestly believe John Kerry has gotten to this point without a message?  It's there, it's just not getting out there and MAYBE, he's not as good as distorting
the opponents message.

I can honestly believe John Kerry has gotten to this point without a message. All indications point to yes. I hate political parties so I always take both candidates seriously. But seriously Kerry's platform is a peace of plywood, he has not given any definite answer as to why I should vote for him or what he will do if elected. He does say things like he wants to set up an education trust fund. But these plans are very vague and have no meat behind them. I would love for an education trust fund to be set up the way he describes it - it sounds like a good idea. But he does not tell me how in the world he plans to get it accomplished so that I am weigh its validity. Kerry's only true stance and the corner stone to his campaign is that he his not president Bush. This is not what makes a president.

Now the president on the other hand, has an easier time of it - this is true. he is the incumbent which means we all know how he operates, giving him the advantage in this regard. But that’s the price you must pay for running against an incumbent. You have to work twice as hard to get your message out. Kerry is not doing that and it rightfully hurts him. Clinton had the same problem, but he worked it hard enough until he was elected.

In my opinion I believe the DNC expected, when they set this cores, that the would lose the election and now still think (even though the odds are getting much better for them) they will lose. There for they have their eyes on the 08 elections and aren’t putting their whole heart into this one.

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It's not that I don't have faith, I just don't have a lot of money to spare.  I'm not a rich republican.
why make a blanket assumption like this. My grandfather is by no means rich, yet he always contributes to the republican election fund.

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Firing a gun while blindfolded is tantamount to starting an ill planned war in Iraq.  The strategy reference was my own thought NOT Kerry's campaign manager.
Very true, good thing the war wasn’t ill planned and things have been going quite smoothly compared to other wars.

What’s this talk about not having an exit strategy, just because we are still in when it hasnt even been a year? Didn’t the president in every speech he made prier to the war say this was going to be long and hard? and didn’t he say we would stay the duration? At least that’s what I heard.

Hey Dandandat,

Does your reference to the word peace actually mean fight? ;) :sorry: mah bad :brow: I'm trying to read you. Just kidding. You are indeed right. Not every Republican is a gun toting oil baron who drives a "HUMMA" and there are some very beautiful people from Hollywood that are Democrats or married to them. You are right.

But I have to tell you. I was at that rally John Kerry had at the University of Pittsburgh and he did lay out his message. He had a message. I was there. I heard it and although he's not as eloquent a speaker as I would hope he would have been, he did lay out a plan. He did present to us what he'd like to do and how he'd like to do it. For some reason, it's just not out there in the media for people like you to read it. I must admit, it's a whole different thing when you're in a crowd of people actually listening to the man. So there is a message, you are just going to have to take my word for it. Please stop telling everyone that there IS no message. Not true.

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Admiralbill_gomec
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What is it? I'd be surprised that his supporters in the mainstream media wouldn't have picked up on it... I haven't heard anything aside from reckless Bush bashing.
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