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Talk of Reinstating the Draft in US Senate
Topic Started: Apr 21 2004, 08:47 AM (910 Views)
Minuet
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The Sisko
Apr 26 2004, 06:08 PM
I understand Somerled, and am disheartened to find that there are others who became frustrated by the lack of neutral regulation on this board which is the reason I originally left. Diversity of opinions are very necessary to a balanced discussion regardless of the bashing you and others may take. That's what democracy is, the freedom to disagree. Freedom to have and express your own opinion. Unfortunately, I think some here have missed that point, resorting to attacks and overgeneralized stigma attached to any opinion one might give. Anti-American is a popular favorite. Even Americans can disagree with the people in charge, it doesn't make them un-American. It makes them responsible. If the government is doing something wrong, someone should say something about it.

To quote Mark Twain: I am a patriot, I support my country always, and I support my government when they deserve it.

That's my two cents, flame away!!!

The Sisko, you have been away for a while and don't know all the personal aspects of why certain posters are attacked more then others.

I can attest to the fact that while there do seem to be more right wingers then left we do have a good number of center-left and left wing posters. Impulseengine, Benetil, DS9074, Intrepid 2004, 24thcenstfan, and believe it or not, on many issues myself. (I tend to stay out of discussions of American domestic policy altogether because as a Canadian I am not affected in the same way Americans are and therefore don't often have much of use to say)

I can't speak for everyone else, but as for myself, I constantly find myself going after Somerled because he is known to make false accusations. When backed into a corner by facts he loves to change the topic and attack the person he is having the discussion with. (One of his favorite tactics on any discussion of the situation in Israel is to discount any fact I present, no matter how welll I document it, because I am Jewish and therefore in his mind biased) Many of the other left leaning posters have pointedly distanced themselves from many of Somerled's opinions, not because they have suddenly turned right wing, or are afraid of the right wingers here, but because they recognize that Somerled goes too far sometimes.

From what I can see of you it seems that you have the ability to make a reasoned arguement. Before you jump on the bandwagon with Somerled I would highly advise that you review the complete topic and other topics he has posted in. You are certainly entitled to your opinion on any and all topics. Just make sure you understand clearly what Somerled has posted before you join him in a blanket condemnation of the right wingers on this board.
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Dr. Noah
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Yes, when we are discussing facts, we should all try to make sure they are factually represented. Preferably without name calling and a holier than thou attitude. AB and Minuet are both very good at making sure that I back up my arguments with quotes and links which I am happy to provide. When someone is flamed by being called a name or labeled as anti-this or that because they posted an opinion, that is something administration should pick up on and call people on it.
To me being called anti-American is an insult, but I have endured it without support from administration because I realize that politically I am in the minority and name calling is often over looked when administration agrees with it.
Conservatives are always crying about people calling them racist and homophobic and facists, but have no problem calling others anti-American or communists for posting an opinion about foreign policy.

I am an American. I love my country, I fear my government. When my president postures like John Wayne saying "You're with us or against us" and implying that the UN is irrelevant because they don't agree with the position of one nation and then egging terrorists on by saying "Bring 'em on!" putting our troops in further danger it scares me. I wonder if he'd be so gung-ho if his daughters were there in uniform instead of non-stop partying.
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Dandandat
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I’m sorry Sisko but as the admin on this board I know I don’t (as well as Wichita or Minn) play favorites to any side.

Wichita has some what dropped out of posting in this forum so that she can remain natural.

Minn has just pointed out that in most aspects she comes down liberal.

And I am a strong centrists, and although seem to be concretive this is only on the out side.

ds9074 is also in charge of this forum and there is no mistaking that he is from the left fraim of mind.

So I am sorry to inform you that the admin is not playing favortates to any side. It is true that we do not moderate this forum as strictly as it seems you would like. But that’s because we do not believe in censuring any one. When things get out of hand we step in to quell the problem. But for the most part this forum is unregulated. If you want to post here you had better have a thick skin.


Ps. Just to point out something. The last time I had to moderate someone, he was very much form the right point of view and the only person who has ever been band at sister trek was also very much form the right point of view.
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Minuet
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To me being called anti-American is an insult, but I have endured it without support from administration because I realize that politically I am in the minority and name calling is often over looked when administration agrees with it.


I definitely agree that labeling an American citizen as anti-American or communist simply for holding a different opinion is highly insulting. However, there may be some truth in the anti-American label when it is used on a non-American, especially if used on someone who has trouble backing up thier version of "facts". It might be useful for you to familiarize yourself with the nationalities of the various posters on this site.

And I am glad you brought up the topic so that I, in my official capacity as an administrator, can remind EVERYONE to watch how they say things and to watch the namecalling.
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Dr. Noah
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I wasnt' meaning to jump on the wagon with Somerled. I haven't been here long enough yet to be taking any sides. I did want to state though, that the reason I left was due to the personal attacks and name calling that was undetered.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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The Sisko
Apr 26 2004, 06:05 PM
So a difference of opinion within your set perameters is acceptable Admiral?

Would you please forward me a copy of your rules of opinions so that I may be in full compliance with your standards when posting my viewpoint on things?

Thanks.

Don't give me that BS... if you can't make a statement based on fact, then why bother?

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Admiralbill_gomec
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The Sisko
Apr 26 2004, 06:22 PM
implying that the UN is irrelevant

Once again, this has been proven false. Why do you keep saying it?

Also, stop with that silly "if so-and-so's son/daughter were there" bull$h!t. The president, Secretary of Defense, OR ANYONE CHARGED WITH THE SAFETY AND SECURITY OF THIS NATION will do what is right to protect and safeguard this country.

(Remember when I said that liberals "feel" things while conservatives "think" about things?)
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doctortobe
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Sisko, in the areas of Kick Back and Put Up Your Feet and Wherever Your Soul Takes You, I believe that I moderate with a great deal of neutrality.

I am pretty much a centrist on most issues. However, my being in training in the military gives me insights into matters of war that Joe Citizen may not have. I'm also probably a bit more of a fundamentalist then many members of this board and in arguements this will probably have me debating against athiests in the realm of philosophy and religion.

However, this post is not about me tooting my own horn, it actually has a point to it. The point is that I have a foolproof way of making sure that there is no bias on my part when using my moderation abilities. I have a policy that I will only take action if asked by a person who feels that they have been wronged in some way.

Actually, I should probably post something to that affect...

Anyway, it is probable that many of the other Mods have a similar policy as myself. They feel that, if they actively try to police the boards by their standards of right and wrong, then they will end up doing more harm then good. We do have the duty to uphold the InvisionFree Terms of Service and will take action to delete any posts that might get SisterTrek shut down.

In any case, I enjoy having you here TheSisko.
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Dr. Noah
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Thanks Doc!!

Admiral, do I not always provide citation and links when asked? Rarely do I make a statement without some factual basis.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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Actually, most of your posts are based on emotion. I'm sorry but this is true. I believe this is what "drove" you out of here earlier... your opinions being bombarded with facts. You have made a number of erroneous or "out of context" statements, and the only one I've seen lately that had any links was the attempt to prove your claim that the Bush Administration say the UN was irrelevant (there was one more, but I'll have to check that one... I believe you were deluged with factual counterlinks).

You teach, right? Are you familiar with the Scientific Method?
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Dr. Noah
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No I don't teach, and yes, I am familiar with the scientific method. You are mistaken, whenever you ask for evidence, I provide it.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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By evidence you realize I'm asking for facts, not an opinion piece, right?
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Dr. Noah
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I have provided several documents citing the newspapers they are reported from. Opinion piece or not, they are cited from being printed in an actual newspaper from sources who idenify who they are unlike the article you provided about a "secret memo" from unnamed sources. We could go on all day about what you consider an acceptable source, the fact is, and I repeat again, whenever you ask for evidence, I provide it.
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Dandandat
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The Sisko
Apr 27 2004, 02:15 PM
I have provided several documents citing the newspapers they are reported from. Opinion piece or not, they are cited from being printed in an actual newspaper from sources who idenify who they are unlike the article you provided about a "secret memo" from unnamed sources. We could go on all day about what you consider an acceptable source, the fact is, and I repeat again, whenever you ask for evidence, I provide it.

I am not Bill, but he is right opinion articles no matter where they are printed are not proof of anything expect that the person who wrote it thinks a certain way.

I could right that bush is 100% in everything he does, I could even get it published in a newspaper. But just because I think it doesn’t necessarily make it right.
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Dr. Noah
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As I am sure you all are well aware, even opinion pieces in the paper have to cite facts. If I posted an opinion piece, facts that they are opining on are cited from other sources. The fact that it's an opinion makes little difference. The discussion I believe here is that facts are required a citation.
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