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| Another extrajudicial killing by the IDF; Another to come ? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 17 2004, 10:19 PM (1,819 Views) | |
| somerled | Apr 17 2004, 10:19 PM Post #1 |
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Admiral MacDonald RN
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Israel Assassinates Hamas Leader Rantisi - yep the Israeli Sharon coalition government really peace and they call Hamas terrorists and criminals - they should take a look at themselves. It was, to paraphrase someone else ie a war crime. So much for "the road to peace". And yet another case of the tail wagging the dog (White House Won't Criticize Assassination ), so much for the Whitehouse's international credibility. Anyone care to bet that Bush was told before hand of the IDF's intentions and that he personally gave the nod when his pal was visiting. |
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| Intrepid2002 | Apr 17 2004, 10:49 PM Post #2 |
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UNGH!
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Flipping through all the cable news shows, including FOX, they're quick to say it was coincidental that a Hamas leader is killed only but a few days after Sharon visits Washington. I can only guess that a window of opportunity presented itself and the Israelis jumped on it. Rantisi was reported to be keeping a low profile knowing he was being targeted. Do we really ever know what any two leaders might be talking about? Terrorism rears it's ugly head again. Everyone is going to be doing something in retaliation of something. The ugle cycle begins again. |
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| 24thcenstfan | Apr 17 2004, 10:54 PM Post #3 |
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Somerled, I don’t understand you at all. Why are you so outraged over the assassination of a terrorist? This man was the head of a terrorist organization…responsible for the deaths of many many many innocents. I know you sympathize with the plight of the Palestinian people. Which is is entirely understandable. I hope the Palestinian people achieve statehood someday too. But why sympathize with a bunch of cowardice, murdering, piece of filth crackhead terrorists? They certainly don't give a crap about the people they kill when they send out one of their many homicide bombers. |
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| 8247 | Apr 17 2004, 11:27 PM Post #4 |
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Apparently we look like this now
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^^^^ Well said, 24...I'd ask what the difference between the US defending and retaliating against terrorists, and Israel doing the same is, but Somerled has a problem with the US War on Terror as well. |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Apr 17 2004, 11:32 PM Post #5 |
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Israel has the right to defend itself and its people. If this includes eliminating a terrorist leader, then so be it. |
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| somerled | Apr 17 2004, 11:41 PM Post #6 |
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Like I said before - arrest the man and allow due process. What I am opposed to is extra-judicial or non-combat killing. There is only one word for these - murder. Using terrorist attacks (and this was state sanctioned terrorism) gets them nowhere. |
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| 8247 | Apr 17 2004, 11:48 PM Post #7 |
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Apparently we look like this now
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^^^^ Yeah. lets arrest this P.O.S. who boasts of killing, and hold him in a trial that takes months or years. Come on, Somerled...are you living in a parallel universe? You cant lock these bastards up. The only way terrorists will be stopped is to KILL THEM! They dont know any other form of communication. And what happens when they get found guilty? This is WAR! Not street crime, or petty theft. |
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| Dandandat | Apr 17 2004, 11:52 PM Post #8 |
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Time to put something here
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Who are they terrorizing with this act? - The terrorists themselves? I don’t know why but that sounds a little nonsensical to me. I sure hope that a government puts freer into those committing crimes, its their job.
During which time, there will be more terrorist actions, in the name of negotiated his release. It seams this is th cleanest way to do it, |
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| Dwayne | Apr 18 2004, 12:46 AM Post #9 |
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Profanity deleted by Hoss
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As far as I'm concerned, somerled is a modern day incarnation of Tokyo Rose. |
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| Swidden | Apr 18 2004, 01:03 AM Post #10 |
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Adm. Gadfly-at-large; Provisional wRench-fly at large
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A few weeks ago on 60 Minutes II on CBS, there was an interview with the elder son a Muammar Khadafi. He is, in part, responsible for the thaw between Libya and the West. My point is this: During the course of the interview he was asked by the reporter about the 1986 bombing of Libya that resulted in the death of one of his younger sisters. He replied that since, in his opinion, Libya and the US were at war he did not consider this murder. He indicated that though these things happen he did not hold this against the US, nor would he forgive the US. It was war. Somerled, terrorist acts clearly fall into an area that is somewhere between civil murder and combat. There are rules to combat and when civilians are targeted, as terrorists so often do, these rules are violated. It does not necessarily equate with bringing the perpetrators to trial automatically. They declare themselves to be combatants, which brings to mind the old axiom: Live by the sword, die by the sword. |
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| fireh8er | Apr 18 2004, 01:12 AM Post #11 |
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I'm Captain Kirk!
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Right On, Swidden! |
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| somerled | Apr 18 2004, 01:15 AM Post #12 |
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Dwayne : What the F*** are you talking about ? Since when is being opposed to assassinations (state or politically sponsored murder) foolish. Dandandat : Well how about the innocent civilian / non-combatant bystanders who also happened to be on the street the car was driving down at the time waqs blown up by a missile ? (Who had absolutely nothing to with the fellow.) From the Greens here Greens want assassinations condemned who say
So pull your head in Dwayne. Nor is opposing this kind of thing an act of antisemiticism. |
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| Dandandat | Apr 18 2004, 01:35 AM Post #13 |
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Time to put something here
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So if he was killed with a sniper riffle you wouldn't have a problem with it? |
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| Adrian | Apr 18 2004, 01:54 AM Post #14 |
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I'm not so sure here. If we kill a leader, dosen't he become a martyr, a cause to rally behind? Dosen't that just cause this tit for tat series to go on? Israel kills this piece of fith, inretaliation, the fundementalists suicide bomb a cafe or something, then the Israelis kill another leader. Eventually don't the Israelis get to the point where they don't know who the leaders are any more because they've killed all the ones they know about? But if he's captured, isn't effectively silenced without making him a martyr? In fact, dosen't that put pressure on the opposit side to negotiate (to get their beloved leader out)? I know it may feel good (and justified) to knock out the criminals responsible for so much death, but aren't we looking for the end results? |
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| Dandandat | Apr 18 2004, 02:46 AM Post #15 |
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Time to put something here
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It may not make him a martyr to throw him in jail but it will make him an object to win back. Through him in prison, and how many people are going to blow them selves up in the name of his release?Doesn’t this just cause this tit for tat series to go on? Israel throws this piece of filth in prison - in retaliation, the fundamentalists suicide bomb a cafe or something, - then the Israelis throw another leader in prison. Eventually don't the Israelis get to the point where they don't know who the leaders are any more because they've thrown all the ones they know about in prison? Yes they will be forced to negotiate by saying "if you do not let our beloved leader out, we will blow up this plain, by the way did I mention its filled with innocent people" As I have pointed out its not as black and white as you would like it to be. So times the cleanest thing to do is kill the piece of filth. |
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