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| Dwayne | Apr 17 2004, 12:07 AM Post #16 |
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The horse's mouth disagrees (source: David Kay - head of the THE IRAQ SURVEY GROUP). |
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| Dr. Noah | Apr 17 2004, 12:56 AM Post #17 |
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Do you seriously doubt that Hussein had WMDs? :lol: He was hoping America was full of dopes like you who would lie about drinking your latte while he gears up to wipe out democracy and everything it stands for!!! I know for a fact that he had an ICBM rigged with botchulism aimed right at the White House. But our fearless leader saw through his and the UN's ruse and took action. Now we have a free and democratic Iraq and everyone there is welcoming us as the liberators we are. So all you French bundles of sticks can go out and get a freaking job instead of marching against the war. HA! You act so smug and superior, but we showed you!! Hussein is gone, and Iraq is free!! And the world is a much better place because we didn't let those UN commies stop us from doing what we do best. Bringing democracy to all the mud hut camel jockey nations of the world!!!
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| Adrian | Apr 17 2004, 01:17 AM Post #18 |
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"Bringing democracy to all the mud hut camel jockey nations of the world!!!" Ah, enlightenment... |
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| Swidden | Apr 17 2004, 01:26 AM Post #19 |
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Adm. Gadfly-at-large; Provisional wRench-fly at large
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Wow, seems like one could get whiplash watching The Sisko fly from hard left to extreme right... Your conversion appears complete...
Welcome to the darkside...
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| Dwayne | Apr 17 2004, 01:42 AM Post #20 |
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I sincerely hope you're not serious, and I sincerely hope you're not mocking the idea that Iraq had banned NBC weapons programs. |
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| anon_persona | Apr 17 2004, 04:36 AM Post #21 |
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Prior to the invasion: - Supporters of the UN should advocate an invasion of Iraq because of 1. The Saddam Regime’s use and obvious ownership of chemical weapons, 2. The Saddam Regime’s continuing violation of human rights, 3. The Saddam Regime’s violation of trade embargos, 4. The Saddam Regime’s refusal to admit Un inspectors, and 5. The Saddam Regime’s encouragement of terrorist activities, all of which violate UN resolutions and most of which are grounds for a UN-backed invasion of Iraq - Democracy advocates should hate the Saddam Regime for completely controlling elections and giving no citizens any voice – and hardly any rights - Anti-anti Semitics should hate the Saddam Regime for his desire to kill all Jews and his history of sending Scuds into Israel - Anti-terror advocates should hate the Saddam Regime for supporting Al Qaeda terrorists as well as sponsoring, harboring, and leading its own army of terrorists in activities against Iran, Kuwait, Israel, and the Western Powers - Humanitarians should hate the Saddam Regime for permitting the torture of its over 600 Kuwaiti, Indian, Syrian, Lebanese, Iranian, Egyptian, Bahraini, Omani, and American, yes American prisoners - Anti-Capital punishment advocates should hate the Saddam Regime for at least 1,500 political executions - Environmentalists should hate the Saddam Regime for its ecoterror activities including dumping millions of barrels – that’s barrels not gallons – of oil into the Persian Gulf and the lighting of Kuwaiti oil pumps on fire burning millions more unrefined gallons of oil, not to mention its use of chemical warfare and obvious attempts to obtain biological and nuclear capabilities - Minority rights activists should hate the Saddam Regime for not just its suppression of the Kurdish minority but the outright genocide Saddam has attempted to commit in Kurdistan - Human Rights activists should hate the Saddam Regime for using chemical weapons to kill thousands of Kurds in an attempt at genocide - Women’s Rights activists should hate the Saddam Regime for allowing women to be raped and murdered in front of their husbands as some sick form of punishment - Children’s Rights advocates should hate the Saddam Regime the forced labor of children, the conscription of children as young as 10-years old into the military against those childrens’ wills, and endorsing the rapes and murders of children in front of their parents as some sick, twisted form of punishment That's right, only WMDs are a legitimate argument, eh guys? So if we don't find WMDs all the rest of this is irrelevant, right? |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Apr 17 2004, 09:29 AM Post #22 |
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So... what you're saying is they don't deserve it? So much for compassion. |
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| Adrian | Apr 17 2004, 10:25 AM Post #23 |
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No, Admiral. It was sarcasm. I hate to go down this road again, however... No Iraqi terrorism against the USA. No weapons of mass destruction. Yes, Sadaam bad man, but other methods existed. War made us musch more vunerable to the real threat: terrorism. |
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| Dwayne | Apr 17 2004, 11:18 AM Post #24 |
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No it's not - it's drawing terrorists to Iraq, and will help bring the whole thing to a head where they will either defeat the United States militarily or vise versa. It's causing terrorists to attack those they normally would not attack ... other Arabs. It's forcing the terrorists to react to us, instead of us reacting to them. The battle for Iraq is akin to the Battle at Midway or the Battle for Stalingrad. This is a turning point where the coalition either turns the corner for the better or for the worst. |
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| somerled | Apr 17 2004, 10:00 PM Post #25 |
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point 1. Maybe - maybe not. point 2. What a load of rubbish. How ? point 3 see point 2. point 4. The coalition has lost control in Iraq, and the situation is far from being in control, people who normally wouldn't cooperate are now joining forces. Only Bush and Rumsfeld wont admit it (for domestic political reasons. |
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| Dandandat | Apr 18 2004, 12:02 AM Post #26 |
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In light of your answer to his second and third points. I say - What a load of rubbish - how? |
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| Dwayne | Apr 18 2004, 12:40 AM Post #27 |
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I told people that requested I not engage in name calling, that I wouldn't engage in name calling. I'm sorry to all you people, because now I'm going to do some name calling. somerled, you're the biggest blankety-blank blank blank to ever set foot on the face of the Earth. You act so blank you make Blank Blank look like an blank blank. If you're blank were blank you wouldn't have enough to blank blank! Now, let's go over your most illogical and unthought out reply. You reduced my reply to 4 basic points...
... and then you followed with this ...
To my point that Arabs are now the target of terrorists you say, "Maybe - maybe not." So, in your blank blank mind, you think the terrorists are maybe attacking other Arabs, or maybe not??? So I guess those Iraqi policemen that are being killed aren't Arabs ... is that what you're saying? Or how about those Arabs in Saudi Arabia that have recently become the target of attacks? Then when I state that the terrorists are reacting to us you say, "What a load of rubbish. How ?" I guess you didn't think that one through. If you're claiming that United States attacking Iraq made terrorism worse, then in fact, it is a reaction to America's action. And even if you're not saying that, there's no denying that every move that terrorists have made, before and after 9-11, was blamed on American action! The attack in Spain was a reaction to American action - we are forcing them to react and adapt to American action. Then to my suggestion that Iraq is pivotal to the War on Terror, all your blank blank mind can do is repeat your previous response, "see point 2." Well, blankity, if you weren't such a blank-blank, you'd realize that this is as much a propaganda war as it is a war of arms. If the US succeeds in Iraq it would change the face of the Middle East and would take a lot of wind out of the sails of Islamists propaganda that America is a Great Satan who's out to enslave, conquer and kill Muslims. Then when I point out that the War on Terror will be won or lost in Iraq, all you blank blank can muster is a diversion from that point by stating blank garbage about Rumsfeld et al. |
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| Dandandat | Apr 18 2004, 01:28 AM Post #28 |
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Dwayne, Personal attacks are not how we debate here. We try to keep things as friendly and mature as possible - even when we disagree with each other. If you can not deal with that then there are many message boards that allow this type debate. Thank you. - Next action to be taken will be editing your posts, if you cant self-censer your posts, we will have no choice but to do it for you. The point is, such attacks are unnecessary to get your point across and adds nothing to your argument. If this thread continues in this manner it will be closed. |
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| Adrian | Apr 18 2004, 02:10 AM Post #29 |
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Dwayne, the point is not to get Arabs killing other Arabs (racial); that just leads to the only Arabs left are the more agressive fundementalists. It also plays into the terrorists propaganda against us. The point is to take out the fundementalists that now exist before they recruit more. Your referece to the Battle of Stalingrad and Midway is not applicable; those were set piece battles between nations with navies, armies, and air power. A better allusion would be to the Battle of Algiers, in which the French colonial power fought against guerilla terrorist insurgents (much like Iraq today). The French caught and killed all of the leaders of the insurgency, only to have their enemies rally around the "martyrs" and have new leaders arise (they had no idea who they were, so they couldn't be targetted). The French eventually withdrew from Algiers. |
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| Dandandat | Apr 18 2004, 02:25 AM Post #30 |
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How, - that sounds all nice and pretty. I to agree we need to take out the fundamentalists that now exist before they recruit more. But how do that in a more PC way then what we are doing now. I see a lot of people criticizing the Bush administration and the coalition, and the Israelis. But I don’t see any one else coming up with a plan for real action. At lest these people are doing something – even if it’s a little unsavory. |
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