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Any one ketch the president last night?
Topic Started: Apr 14 2004, 07:24 AM (635 Views)
Dandandat
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Time to put something here
gvok
Apr 15 2004, 12:52 PM
Dandandat
Apr 15 2004, 11:49 AM
I guess we would have to define articulate.

This is the definition of "articulate" on Dictionary.Com:

ar·tic·u·late ( P ) Pronunciation Key (är-tky-lt)
adj.
1. Endowed with the power of speech.
2. Composed of distinct, meaningful syllables or words, as human speech.
3. Expressing oneself easily in clear and effective language: an articulate speaker.
4. Characterized by the use of clear, expressive language: an articulate essay.
5. Anatomy. Consisting of sections united by joints; jointed.

I believe we are specifically using the 3rd definition.

I think you need to use all the definition.

1) the president makes powerfull speeches. His messages are often powerful

2) The president uses meaningful words and phrases in his speeches.

3) It may not be easy for him but it is clear what he is trying to say

4) is just number three said again in a different way

5) does not apply in this case.
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gvok
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Are you trying to argue that I am not entitled to my opinion?
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Dandandat
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Are you talking to me? when did I say that? I just ran down how the president can easy fit the definition of articulate.
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gvok
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Okay. I happen to disagree. I may have read too much into your post. Let me ask you this, if you think that President Bush is articulate, do you also think that he speaks with eloquence? Do you think that it is important for a President or any leader to speak with eloquence?
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Adrian
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Bush is smooth when it comes to prepared speaches, but any off the cuff stuff (like the other night) and we get either the pre-fabricated lines or jibberish that ends up in joke books (Bushisms). Thanks to Bushisms.com.

"If affirmative action means what I just described, what I'm for,
then I'm for it."
—St. Louis, Mo., October 18, 2000
"I mean, there needs to be a wholesale effort against racial
profiling, which is illiterate children."
—Second presidential debate, Oct. 11, 2000
"I will have a foreign-handed foreign policy."
—Redwood, Calif., Sept. 27, 2000
"...more and more of our imports are coming from overseas."
-- On NPR's Morning Edition (9/26)
"We cannot let terriers and rogue nations hold this nation hostile
(hostage) or hold our allies hostile.'' Des Moines, Aug 21
"I think anybody who doesn't think I'm smart enough to handle the job is underestimating."
— U.S. News & World Report, April 3, 2000
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gvok
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I think people think the President is articulate so long as they can desipher what he meant by his utterances.
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Minuet
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They also might try to decipher him
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gvok
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Good eye M.
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anon_persona
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People make mistakes. Lots of 'em. Lots and lots and lots of 'em:

"The contagious people of Washington have stood firm against diversity during this long period of increment weather."
* M. Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC

"I promise you a police car on every sidewalk."
* M. Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC

"If you take out the killings, Washington actually has a very very low crime rate."
* M. Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC

"First, it was not a strip bar, it was an erotic club. And second, what can I say? I'm a night owl."
* M. Barry, Mayor of Washington,DC

"Bitch set me up."
* M. Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC

"I am clearly more popular than Reagan. I am in my third term. Where's Reagan? Gone after two! Defeated by George Bush and Michael Dukakis no less."
* M. Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC

"The laws in this city are clearly racist. All laws are racist. The law of gravity is racist."
* M. Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC

"I am making this trip to Africa because Washington is an international city, just like Tokyo, Nigeria or Israel. As mayor, I am an international symbol. Can you deny that to Africa?"
* M. Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC

"People have criticized me because my security detail is larger than the president's. But you must ask yourself: are there more people who want to kill me than who want to kill the president? I can assure you there are."
* M. Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC

"The brave men who died in Vietnam, more than 100% of which were black, were the ultimate sacrifice."
* M. Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC

"I read a funny story about how the Republicans freed the slaves. The Republicans are the ones who created slavery by law in the 1600's. Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves and he was not a Republican."
* M. Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC

"What right does Congress have to go around making laws just because they deem it necessary?"
* M. Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC

"People blame me because these water mains break, but I ask you, if the water mains didn't break, would it be my responsibility to fix them then? WOULD IT!?!"
* M. Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC

"I am a great mayor; I am an upstanding Christian man; I am an intelligent man; I am a deeply educated man; I am a humble man."
* M. Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC

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"A zebra does not change it's spots."
- Al Gore

"I tell you that Michael Jackson is unbelievable, isn't he. He's just unbelievable." (speaking of the great Chicago Bulls player)
- Al Gore

"We can build a collective civic space large enough for all our separate identities, that we can be e pluribus unum -- out of one, many. "
- Vice President Al Gore

"Speaking from my own religious tradition in this Christmas season, 2,000 years ago a homeless woman gave birth to a homeless child in a manger because the inn was full."
- Vice President Al Gore

Finding himself talking to the controversial rock star Courtney Love, widow of Kurt Cobain, at a Hollywood party, Mr. Gore attempted to charm her by telling her he was a fan. "He goes 'I'm a really big fan'," said Love. "And I was like 'Yeah, right. Name a song, Al'." The answer came limply back: "I can't name a song, I'm just a really big fan."

"Dear Mr. and Mrs. Delgadillo, Thank you for your letter regarding the protection of the Texas eagle. I appreciate hearing from you. "I share your view that the urgent problem of species extinction and the conservation of biological diversity should be addressed. The first step in saving any plant or animal from extinction is to become aware of and respect the fragile ecosystems that make up our environment ... "Again, thank you for sharing your thoughts with me. I look forward to working with you for the future of our planet." (It's strange he should talk about the ecosystem and extinction since the Texas Eagle is a TRAIN! )

As President-elect Clinton and vice president-elect Al Gore were touring Thomas Jefferson's Monticello home, Gore pointed to a group of small busts on a wall and asked: 'Who are these people?'
"'That's George Washington, on the right,' said their tour guide".

Last September, Gore hiked reporters up to a glacier in Montana to point out that it was melting. Imagine: ice melting in the summertime.
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gvok
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Mayor Marion Berry made mistakes? I find that hard to believe.
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Adrian
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Marion Barry?! That's like me dredging up Richard Nixon ("I am not a crook") for quotes! And of all the Gore quotes only the Zebra, Michael Jackson, and Courtney Love quotes were stupid (the texas eagle sounds like a form letter, I'll give you half credit on Washington as I don't know the circumstances, and the glacier was melting more than normal per annum).
Besides, Bush makes more than the average politician. I mean they've written books and have web sites about all the gaffs! And they're often about policy! I can understand Gore not listening to Courtney Love (actually that's a sign of good taiste), but things like "...more and more of our imports are coming from overseas."? He should have that down cold. It's his job, for crying out loud!

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Admiralbill_gomec
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Lest we forget his claims about inventing the Internet, starting the hearings on Love Canal, being the basis for Love Story, and my personal favorite: while addressing NASA members and shuttle crews, he started his speech with "My fellow astronauts."

Yadda, yadda, yadda...
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Fesarius
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When Gore mentioned that the automobile was one of the greatest threats to society was when I lost respect for the man. It's one thing to joke about it, but I believe that he was serious.... ;(
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Adrian
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Okay, I'm going to have to call you on this one, too.
First off, Gore's quote to Wolf Blitzer in a 1999 interview was "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initative in creating the Internet". While he didn't devolop packet switching, Gore fought for funding that would turn the Arpanet into what is now the Internet. The phrase "invented the Internet" first appeared in a Republican Party press release and the "liberal media" took off with it.
Second, in 1997 Gore was on Air Force II chatting with Karen Tumulty of Time magazine. He mentioned that Erich Segal, author of "Love Story" had told the Nashville Tennesean the main characters had been based on him and Tipper. Which is true; in 1980 did quote Segal as basing Tipper and Al as models for the characters. The Tennessean did misquote Segal, however. Segal (when contacted by the New York Times) said that the character had been based on Gore and his roommate, Tommy Lee Jones. But the female character wasn't Tipper. So the "liberal media" was off and running with a seventeen year old story from Gore's local paper.
Lastly, in Janurary of 2000 Gore told a high school in New Hampshire of a girl from Toone, Tennesee who had changed national policy. The girl had contacted Gore's congressional office about toxic waste in her home town. Because of her initative, Gore "called for a congressional investigation and hearing... I looked around the country for sites like that. I found a little place in upstate New York called Love Canal. Had the first hearing on that issue, and Toone, Tennesee- that was the one you didn't hear of. But that was the one that started it all... we passed a major national law to clean up dump sites... And it all happened because one high school student got involved."
Both The New York Times and the Washington Post misquoted Gore changing "That was the one that started it all" to "I was the one that started it all". The Republican National Commitee later sent a fax to reporters stating Gore had said "I was the one who started it all". The Times and Post later issued corrections, but the "liberal media" was off and running.
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anon_persona
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If you wanted Gore as your president so badly, why didn't you impeach Clinton? :wave2:
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