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Exit strategy; When is the job done?
Topic Started: Apr 14 2004, 02:51 AM (450 Views)
Adrian
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Some resistance is to be expected, yes. But we've lost more soldiers to this resistance than in the actual war. This is the worst month for US casualties yet and it's the reconstruction.
I think it's getting worse.
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Dwayne
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Adrian
Apr 14 2004, 10:40 PM
Some resistance is to be expected, yes. But we've lost more soldiers to this resistance than in the actual war. This is the worst month for US casualties yet and it's the reconstruction.
I think it's getting worse.

You must live in some alternate reality where the war is over, no more terrorists are after the United States and everything is supposed to be hunky dory.
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Adrian
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Um, no, just the opposit.
This war has created more terrorists.
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Dwayne
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Adrian
Apr 14 2004, 11:46 PM
Um, no, just the opposit.
This war has created more terrorists.

Do you realize how utterly illogical that statement is?

I'd bet you don't.

If there was any shred of logic in your statement, you could systematically show a cause and effect correlation between US actions and the number of terrorist acts against American assets.

Fact is, there were just as many Middle Eastern terrorists before November of 1979 as there were after.

There were just as many Middle Eastern terrorists before 1983 in Bierut as there was after.

There were as many terrorists in the Middle East before the air strikes on Tripoli as there were after.

There were as many before the Gulf War as there were after.

Between February of 1991 and Sept. 11 2001, compared to historical standards, the United States barely acted against terrorists and yet the number of attacks steadily increased in both ambition and severity.

It appears, you're just another ignorant Bush Basher mouthing talking points from Democratic Underground.
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You know, I doubt that anyone actually puts "terrorist" let alone "freedom fighter" or whatever similar personal description of choice on the tax or census forms, so I suspect that we really don't know just how many there are at any given time...
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Dwayne
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Apr 15 2004, 02:52 AM
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You know, I doubt that anyone actually puts "terrorist" let alone "freedom fighter" or whatever similar personal description of choice on the tax or census forms, so I suspect that we really don't know just how many there are at any given time...

I suppose the only real concrete thing you can use to measure the number of possible terrorists is to measure the size of crowds at some of these rallies and protest marches that seem so popular in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. We really don't get to see what happens in Saudi Arabia, Syria or Egypt, but those nations have the same types of public protests.

Remember, the naysayers said there would be widespread protests - the Arab street would erupt. That has not happened.
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You know, I doubt that anyone actually puts "terrorist" let alone "freedom fighter" or whatever similar personal description of choice on the tax or census forms, so I suspect that we really don't know just how many there are at any given time...

It's nice to see the keen analytical mind at work once again.... ;)
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Adrian
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But we do have number of violent incedents, the number of protestors at protest rallies (as Dwayne pointed out), and information from news and intellegence sources.
In each of these cases, terrorism has been on the upswing since the overthrow of Iraq. I mean, six hundred dead servicemen didn't kill themselves. Iraq has become the really cool place to kill Americans if you're a fundementalist nut.
I don't know of a single creditable news or intelligence source that's not saying Iraq is not being flooded with foreign terrorists, fundementalists, and malcontents. They could all be wrong, but I find that unlikely.
The war in Iraq made things worse.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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Adrian
Apr 14 2004, 06:51 PM
It is true that up to two years after the end of the war we still had peacekeeping duties in Japan and Germany, but not with this level of loss of life and property. Also there were huge flaps about ex-Nazis getting positions in gov't; here there are flaps about ex-Baathists but to a large part, they've been quelled.
Personally, don't think the situation is safe enough to leave in two months. It's not even safe enough for the UN to move back.
If we leave too early, we could end up with another Taliban; we have to slog it through.

Actually, we had peacekeeping forces in Germany and Japan until 1955.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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Adrian
Apr 15 2004, 01:52 PM
I mean, six hundred dead servicemen didn't kill themselves.

That's why it is called WAR.

Geez, what a silly statement. Do you truly care about our troops, or do you wish to use them as a crutch to beat Bush with?

When is the last time you actually approached someone in uniform and said "Thank you"??
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Dwayne
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Adrian
Apr 15 2004, 01:52 PM
In each of these cases, terrorism has been on the upswing since the overthrow of Iraq.

Your statement is devoid of facts.

More people died from terrorism in 2001 than has died in any year since.

As for the deaths in Iraq ... when you go chasing down terrorists, they do tend to fight back, so it's most illogically to assume that these scumbags are not going to shoot back.
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Adrian
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Bill, first off, thanks for the correction on the number of troops in Germany. How did we tell the differece between peacekeeping troops and the troops we kept there to fight the Warsaw Pact?
And I was using that stat (number of US dead) because Dwayne asked for a concrete number to show an upswing in terrorist activity.
Actually I can't tell them thanks; they're all in Iraq. Actually, the one service member I do know isn't speaking to me after I told him we weren't goin to invade Syria from Iraq.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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No, not everyone in uniform is in Iraq. Have you ever just walked up to ANYONE in a military uniform and thanked them?

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Bill:
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just walk(ed) up to ANYONE in a military uniform and thank(ed) them
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In the military the vast majority of servicemen/servicewomen NEVER get anywhere near the action (being support in the rear), clerks, logistics, mechanics etc just they are in uniform.
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And without those support personnel those on the front would not meet with any kind of success. So, anyone in uniform is doing their part and might take any mention of appreciation kindly...
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