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Why so silent on Sudan ?
Topic Started: Apr 12 2004, 09:11 AM (521 Views)
somerled
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Escalating Concern over Sudan Genocide

Could it be that these people involved are Islamic and darkskinned and this is happening in an area that not strategic ?
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anon_persona
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Who are you addressing? I don't want there to be personal attacks, but at the same time I want to be sure am no hypocrite - attacking but never defending. So basically just tell me, alone, if I am one of the people that should be discussing this and defending my positions. I can't tell if you are making a pro-Islam religious argument or an anti-war in Iraq argument (or both), of which I've only weighted in on the latter so far.
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Minuet
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You are right, there should be more publicity.

I guess the world doesn't bother when they can't find a way to blame either the Americans or the Jews for the problem.
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captain_proton_au
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Same is happening in The Congo and Siera Leone, this is where the rest of the world gets hypocritical, they condemn America for giving it a go in Iraq and Afghanistan, but dont lift a finger when situations like Sudan arise, and when something happens in their country, who do they call??
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anon_persona
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Ghostbusters?
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Dwayne
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Both statements came amid growing attention to the situation in Darfur where government-backed Arab militias, called the Janjaweed, or "men on horseback," as well as government forces themselves have been accused of waging a "scorched earth campaign" against members of three indigenous Africa ethnic groups, the Fur, Masaalit, and Zaghawa, who make up the majority of the region's settled population.

This is the next nation the United States ought to address in the War on Terror.

This is the quintessential Islamist activity to convert, expel or kill the infidels.
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24thcenstfan
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Yes, why is Australia so silent on the Sudan? Somerled, is your government prepared to send troops to Sudan to help stop these atrocities?
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somerled
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That is what I am asking.

In Sudan it is one group of Islamists trying to kill off another group, who are different ethnically, they are not killing off "infidels".

This has not been mentioned at all in the commercial media here , I found out about it by listening to ABC's special 24hr news and current affairs radio.

I do not know the federal Government's intentions with regards to the Sudanese genocide - don't think it is even on their radar screens - they are focused on Iraq and getting reelected (in August / September). They probably don't give a hang, and wont unless Sudanese boat people start arriving.

How about your governments ?
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Adrian
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I doubt any of the western governments will act because we don't have much of an active interest in the country. There are some oil resources in the region, but they are undeveloped. However, this may spark some interest.
In slang, we don't have a dog in that fight.
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Dwayne
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Adrian
Apr 12 2004, 09:54 PM
I doubt any of the western governments will act because we don't have much of an active interest in the country. There are some oil resources in the region, but they are undeveloped. However, this may spark some interest.
In slang, we don't have a dog in that fight.

It is religious whether you know it or not.
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somerled
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Adrian:
So because these Two million South Sudanese Ethnically Cleansed are both dark skinned and Islamic their right to life and prosperity is discounted or of no value ?

No oil - so not interested eh. And you don't find that disturbing ?

Dwayne:
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Atrocities in Western Sudan', accuses Khartoum of recruiting and arming over 20,000 Muslim militiamen, called ”Janjaweed”, or ”men on horseback”, to carry out attacks on civilians from the Fur, Masaalit and Zaghawa ethnic groups who, while also Islamic, are of African origin and make up the majority of the region's settled population.

Government forces and militias have also carried out joint attacks against the civilian population, systematically destroying villages, the report said, adding that the military has also engaged in indiscriminate and massive bombing of civilian targets.
from Sudan Genocide Echoes Rwanda - you should get your facts straight - this ongoing autrocity is ethnic based.

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Wichita
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I wondered why no one had asked what the UN was doing about it so I looked:

Sudan: UN asks for $115 million to help internally displaced within Darfur

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12 April 2004 – The United Nations is calling for donors to provide $115 million to alleviate the humanitarian crisis in Sudan’s Darfur region, a five-fold increase of an earlier appeal for help for the more than 700,000 people estimated to have become uprooted from their homes because of civil conflict and an ethnic cleansing campaign against black Africans.

In a statement issued in Geneva, the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) said funds raised will go to a range of programmes, including schemes to provide food aid, health care, agricultural assistance and relief supplies.

The new amount replaces last September's Greater Darfur Special Initiative, when $23 million was requested. Since then the number of Sudanese who are internally displaced has continued to increase.

UN agencies have estimated that at least 700,000 Sudanese have had to leave their homes since fighting erupted in Darfur early last year between the Sudanese Government, allied militias and rebel groups. Tens of thousands of refugees have fled into neighbouring Chad.

Earlier this month the UN launched a fresh appeal for Sudanese refugees in Chad, asking for more than $30 million to cover their needs for the year.

The agencies say they have been unable to help more than a third of those people displaced within Darfur because of the lack of security and the difficulties in obtaining travel permits across the region.

On Thursday in N'Djamena, the Chadian capital, the Sudanese Government and two rebel groups - the Sudan Liberation Movement/Army (SLA) and the Justice and Equality Movement (JEM) - signed a humanitarian ceasefire agreement.

The deal came a week after Jan Egeland, Under-Secretary-General for Humanitarian Affairs and Emergency Relief Coordinator, told reporters that a coordinated, "scorched-earth" campaign of ethnic cleansing was taking place in Darfur.

Mr. Egeland said UN and NGO staff have received credible reports almost daily about atrocities - including murders, rapes and episodes of looting - and the forced depopulation of entire areas.

The envoy said the reports indicated the Janjaweed militias were mainly responsible for the atrocities and the victims were Darfur's black Africans, especially members of its Fur, Zaghawas and Massalit ethnic communities.

Mr. Egeland is expected to visit Darfur later this month. A fact-finding mission sent by the Office for the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) is currently in Chad, interviewing Sudanese refugees who have taken shelter in the country's east.

A situation report from Darfur, released today by UN humanitarian agencies, shows that many villagers say that Janjaweed militia members have committed murders, rapes, beatings and many acts of looting in recent months.

Somerled, look up Christians and the Sudan and you will find many links.
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Dandandat
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Just because going to war in one place automatically makes that the solution every where? Isn’t that what every one was afraid of before we went into Iraqi and now you are calling for military action in the Sudan? There are hot disputes going on all over the world, just because one called for military action does not mean they all do.

Are you saying that in order to legitimism the Iraqi war the coalition forces needs to act with force on every begotten region in this world. Are you advocating a brake down to a total war fair state of existence?

Just remember just because you cant do everything that needs to be done, you shouldn’t stop doing anything at all. You deal what the biggest issues in the best way you can, and hope you are doing the right thing.
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somerled
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Wichita :
I know there is a community of (Eastern Orthodox ?) Christians (there are Jews as well) in Sudan, a very old and long standing community - linked originally to the old Eastern Roman Empire.

They have from time to time been persecuted also - I am not sure if they are currently being persecuted.Persecution of Sudanese Christians appears to have stopped in 2000 or 2001 or there abouts.

I believe the EU is contemplating intervening.
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Adrian
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Adrian:
So because these Two million South Sudanese Ethnically Cleansed are both dark skinned and Islamic their right to life and prosperity is discounted or of no value ?

Whoa, big fella. I never said that. I frankly don't care what religion or color they are.
Look at it this way for the USA:
PROs:
Innocent people stop getting killed.
We may (a very flimsy may at that) have good relations with the (next or current) Sudanese government.
Their may be some economic gains in trade after the conflict.
We could gain standing in the region.

CONs:
Some of our soldiers may get killed, maimed, and wounded.
It will cost us billions of dollars (that we don't really have) with little or no return.
It will create a further drag on our (and the world) economy.
Our troops are already streched too thin; if another hot spot sparks up we may not have the troops to cover it.
It would create another great place for Islamic fundementalists to easily go kill Americans.
We could loose standing in the region.

If we had UN support to spread the costs around, I'll admit it might be different.
Any thoughts?
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