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| 8247 | Apr 10 2004, 07:45 AM Post #1 |
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Apparently we look like this now
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I am actually a registered Democrat. I voted for Gore, and Clinton before him. I havent re registered yet, but when I do, I will register Republican. The reason I changed (from left to right) was because when I was in Tennessee...near Ft. Campbell...I became friends with alot of soldiers, and the majority of their beliefs about the country, and Republican vs Democrat as far as military spending, etc. swayed me. Then, 9/11 happened, and I knew the difference between how Gore would have handled it, and how Bush handled it. I knew that Gore would have handled it much like Clinton handled the terrorist attacks during his term. As far as the other differences such as decency, and morals like gay marriage issues, and everything Howard Stern stands for, well..I guess I just grew up. John Kerry seems to be nothing more than a spoiled brat, who throws a temper tantrum whenever he doesnt get his way. Even if I wasnt going to re register Republican, I still wouldnt vote for Kerry. Anyone can see if they just open their eyes that he shouldnt be president, and if he is the best the Democrats have to offer, then that says something about the party as a whole. By the way...my tax return this year was by far the largest I've ever gotten, thanks to Bush's tax cuts. |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Apr 10 2004, 09:40 AM Post #2 |
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8247, as we used to say in the Navy, "Welcome aboard!" |
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| Dwayne | Apr 10 2004, 01:41 PM Post #3 |
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8247, I am not registered as a democrat or republican, but I do agree with your opinion in most respects. I do think that Ashcroft is getting a bit over zealous about porn and profane language on the airwaves, I can't stand the Bush's spending, I'm reluctant to support a withdraw from the International Space Station and I'm not fond of the idea a constitutional amendment against same-sex marriages. In other words, I'm not a sycophantic Bush toady that likes everything he does or allows. That said, your assessment of Kerry is spot on. Kerry is duplicitous and two-faced. He argues both sides of issues, and fault others for opposing or exposing his duplicitousness by claiming his critics lack nuance. |
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| 24thcenstfan | Apr 10 2004, 02:58 PM Post #4 |
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Regardless of what party you are registered for, there was never any doubt in my mind that you were on the conservative side. So in that regards, no big surprise.
I would like you to expound on this if you will. Because right now, my impression is that you think Democrats aren’t decent and moral, and are somehow the party for the immature…or heck I don’t know what you are saying. |
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| Minuet | Apr 10 2004, 04:16 PM Post #5 |
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There has been some discussion on this board recently about how partisan American politics has become. I must say, the idea of having to register as a member of a party in order to vote seems strange to me, and promotes partisanship. In Canada we do not need to register as a member of a party. We only need to ensure that we are on the voters list, which is taken from our tax rolls. If we have moved or changed address there are offices we can go to before the election and make the changes nessesary. Put me on record as not being in favour of having to register with a party. I know that registering with a particular party does not mean you have to vote with them but I think most people will vote the way they are registered. I like the feeling of freedom I have not being tied down to any particular party. |
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| 24thcenstfan | Apr 10 2004, 04:19 PM Post #6 |
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^^^Minuet Here in South Carolina you do not have to register for a political party. You only need to be registered to vote. I am not registered to vote with any party...and I have no plans to do so. |
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| ds9074 | Apr 10 2004, 04:27 PM Post #7 |
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In the UK all you have to do is be on the register of electors. You can vote for whoever you wish. In some elections, such as for local Government, where there is more than one councillor per ward for example, you could vote for different parties in the same election. |
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| Dwayne | Apr 10 2004, 04:57 PM Post #8 |
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As far as I know, in most states you're only required to identify your party affiliation to vote in a primary election or caucus. I've never registered with the democrats or the republicans, but I've voted in every general election. |
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| Dandandat | Apr 10 2004, 05:02 PM Post #9 |
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Well maybe I can shed some light on what 8247 is trying to say 24 (8247 if I am wrong please correct me) For to long a time now our country has become to “liberal” (no party affiliation to the word. I mean it in its purest sense) in the way we conduct our lives. Morality, responsibly and family values have shrunk to the point of almost nonexistence and this needs to stop. The way I see it our society is like a rubber band, a few decades ago, it was stretched so far to the right that we had problems with many issues such as racism, repression, and proper social education. In short people didn’t want to talk about the issues so nothing was ever done to fix them. Every thing was hush hush and people just didn’t learn and change. Now the rubber band was pulled so tight to the right, that it got to the point where it just had to snap, and we had the social uprising period of our history which took place in the 60s and early 70s. After that the rubber band recoiled to the left. Individual freedoms* (* not constitutional ones, but every day ones) where improved, social education was no longer repressed and racism is falling by the way side. But unfortunately the rubber band did not come to rest when it hit middle ground. It just kept going in the left direction and now we find ourselves at a point in time where the rubber band has done a complete 180 form where it was pre 1960's. Individual freedoms* have turned into people being too selfish. Social education has turned into a world where people believe that anything goes when it comes to TV, radio (and other media outlets) , and improved racism issues have turned into “reverse racism” and PC fanaticism. It is now time to take a few steps back toward the constrictive side. I am not calling for a pre 1960's revival. I am talking about finding the middle ground between where we are now and where we use to be. That (since we are on the liberal side) calls for conservative government, and is why I will be voting concretive for some time to come. I don’t think any one is trying to blame (well I guess some people are) the democratic party or liberals in general for the lose of "morality and decency" its just that a lot of us only see them as compounding the problems instead of fixing them. If morality and decency have been lost a liberal is not the one to find them, it will take a constrictive. Look at it this way, in our countrys history we have had a swinging pendulum when it comes to social norms. The 1920s (in context) where a lot more “liberal” then the 1950s which intern was a lot more “concretive” then the 2000s. It is now time for the pendulum to swing back the other way. “The more things change the more things stay the same”- One day we will need a revival of the liberal idealism to counteract going to far to the right, and back and forth we will go until we stop dead nuts in the middle. Just to through Trek into this, that’s where I see Trek sitting, right in the middle. Right where we should be. That’s why Connectives and Liberals alike can find something in trek, because its right their for both of them. |
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| 24thcenstfan | Apr 10 2004, 05:12 PM Post #10 |
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^^Dante you made a big leap from the specific sentence that I quoted to the history lesson you just gave. I want to know if 8247 thinks that Democrats (all, some, the majority?) lack morals and decency, and is the party for the immature? Simple question. |
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| Dandandat | Apr 10 2004, 05:14 PM Post #11 |
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You don’t need to be registered to a party to vote. You can vote ether way (I am not registered to any party). The only time you would have to register to vote, is if you wanted to vote in a primary (and as some have said that’s not always true). But that’s acceptable because a primary is not a run for poetical office. Its a run to see who will represent the party. If you are not part of the party you should have no say in who represents the party. |
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| 24thcenstfan | Apr 10 2004, 05:14 PM Post #12 |
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Luckily here in SC we don't have to be affiliated with any party to vote in the primary either. |
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| Dwayne | Apr 10 2004, 05:27 PM Post #13 |
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Yeah - some states are that way. But just to make clear, I know of no place in the United States where you must affiliate with a political party to vote ina general election. |
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| Minuet | Apr 10 2004, 05:47 PM Post #14 |
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Ok, I stand corrected. I did previously understand that you did have to be registered by one of the parties in order to vote, and 8247's comments seemed to go along with that (since the primaries are over and he is just changing his registration now)
In Canada you do not have to belong to a political party to run in municipal (local) elections. Some municipal candidates, but not all, do have affiliations at the provincial and federal levels, but there are no parties at the municipal level. |
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| ds9074 | Apr 10 2004, 05:51 PM Post #15 |
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I would have been suprised if you did have to register for a party to vote in the US. After all would that not be unconstitutional?!? You can certainly run as an independent candidate in UK elections. Until he rejoined the Labour party the Major of London was an independent for instance. There are also 2 independent MP's as far a I know, not counting the Speaker and his Deputies. The principle is that you are voting for a person not a party, although of course most candidates do have party affiliations. |
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