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Topic Started: Mar 24 2004, 10:03 AM (668 Views)
Minuet
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^^^Good point Dwayne, and in fact I think that is exactly what is happening. Anti-semitisim has never been a major problem in modern day Britian. DS9074 needs to take a look at what is happening in Germany and France in particular.

DS did you know there have been attacks in France on Orthodox Jews? The Orthodox there have recently been advised by thier Rabbi's to wear baseball caps when out in public instead of thier normal religious head covering.

As to the Muslims being in greater danger of attack - part of the reason for increased anti-semitism stems from the fact that the Muslim population is growing in Europe and they are bringing thier anti-semitism (for Jews - technically prejudice agains Muslims is also anti-semitism as they are Semites) with them.

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Point being is that Joe Average doesn't know that anti-semitism is on the rise.


This may be true in the States, but it only takes a couple of incidents to make you realize what is happening. Here in Canada the incidents I refered to have gotten a lot of publicity and I am proud to say that our political leaders have been very vocal in denouncing these acts. And the police have been quick to investigate and make arrests. It is nice to know that they feel it is an important issue.
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Well, in that case I suppose that there is just not much anti-semitism in the US then.
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Minuet
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^^^Or your political leaders have not made as much noise about it as our Canadian leaders have (they have been busy with other matters such as Iraq)

Antisemitism Worldwide -USA

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I'm not complaining about antisemitism in the US. But it is a fatal mistake to think it doesn't exist.
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Apr 12 2004, 09:26 AM
^^^Or your political leaders have not made as much noise about it as our Canadian leaders have (they have been busy with other matters such as Iraq)

Antisemitism Worldwide -USA

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I'm not complaining about antisemitism in the US. But it is a fatal mistake to think it doesn't exist.

First off, I'm sorry for the graphic's and the effect on the layout.

I was digging around that anti-Semitism site.

Look what I found.

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Clearly anti-Semitism is more pronounce in Europe.

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ds9074
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Interesting, it would be insightful to compare the ratio of attacks to the level of Jewish population.
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Minuet
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Wow, I'm shocked at that second chart. I would not have expected so many incidences in the UK.

France and Russia were not a suprise.
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Apr 12 2004, 12:56 PM
Interesting, it would be insightful to compare the ratio of attacks to the level of Jewish population.

I'm pretty sure the United States has the hightest percentage of Jewish people than any other nation but Israel.
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It could be that there are more Jews in Britain and so there are more attacks but proportionally less. We also have put a great deal of effort into making sure racial crimes are reported. Whatever the facts it a poor inditement and there is little excuse.
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Apr 12 2004, 03:11 PM
It could be that there are more Jews in Britain and so there are more attacks but proportionally less. We also have put a great deal of effort into making sure racial crimes are reported. Whatever the facts it a poor inditement and there is little excuse.

No offense, but I think the problem is an inattentive and indifferent aboriginal population, who cares not a bit nor even believes the possibility that they could be supplanted by a demographic that would put an end to thier historical traditions and institutions.
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ds9074
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Jewish Populations:

United States 5,800,000
Israel 4,847,000
France 600,000
Russia 550,000
Ukraine 400,000
Canada 360,000
United Kingdom 300,000
Argentina 250,000
Brazil 130,000
South Africa 106,000

One feature to note about the UK. 2/3 of that Jewish population lives in London. Since I dont I may not be aware of any anti-semitism.


Dwayne could you clarify who your talking to and about?
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Apr 12 2004, 03:34 PM
Dwayne could you clarify who your talking to and about?

I quoted you sweetie.

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OK so thats the who, me. Now can you explain what your talking about?
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Apr 12 2004, 04:04 PM
OK so thats the who, me. Now can you explain what your talking about?

What I'm talking about is a trend in Europe where Europeans have such a low birth rate, that they could soon end up a minority to an Arab Muslim population that has a birth rate much higher than Europeans.

Patrick Buchanan, not the most honorable person but certainly not one to make up statistics out of whole cloth, stated in an op-ed in March of 2002...
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Just to maintain the current 4.8-to-1 ratio of working-age population (ages 15-64) to seniors (65 and above), Europe must import 1.4 billion people by 2050.

Where will they come from? North Africa, the Middle East and the ex-colonies of the old empires. And the consequences for a continent that has never experienced mass immigration are at hand. Last summer, race riots erupted in the British Midland towns of Bradford, Burnley, Oldham and Leeds. In Paris, Algerian toughs stormed a soccer field during a game with France, chanting Osama bin Laden's name as terrified Parisians locked themselves in skyboxes. Moroccan youth are returning to the Spanish towns from which their Moorish ancestors were expelled in 1492. Islam has begun to reconquer Europe.

I think Europeans suffer from a kind of self-hate and they take the hate so seriously that they're going to breed themselves out of existence.
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I'm not self hating :P

I do know what you mean and immigration is a big issue here actually. I really dont think that natural born Europeans are going to become the minority any time soon. Additionally I dont feel overly threatened by immigration. Yes there are problems but they shake down. We had a large influx in the 1950's and 60's and those people are now very readily accepted by most as British now. I think the same will happen with this newer wave of immigrants eventually.

I fear more the rise of the far right who want to throw out all non "native" British people from this country. They have been gaining support in those Midlands towns you mentioned.

What does worry people is illegal immigration, where people are not fleeing persecution but are comming here to take advantage of our generosity. They want to sent their children to a good school, then to university, while having the security of free healthcare and state benefits.
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Apr 12 2004, 04:30 PM
I'm not self hating :P

I do know what you mean and immigration is a big issue here actually. I really dont think that natural born Europeans are going to become the minority any time soon. Additionally I dont feel overly threatened by immigration. Yes there are problems but they shake down. We had a large influx in the 1950's and 60's and those people are now very readily accepted by most as British now. I think the same will happen with this newer wave of immigrants eventually.

I fear more the rise of the far right who want to throw out all non "native" British people from this country. They have been gaining support in those Midlands towns you mentioned.

What does worry people is illegal immigration, where people are not fleeing persecution but are comming here to take advantage of our generosity. They want to sent their children to a good school, then to university, while having the security of free healthcare and state benefits.

I have no problem with immigration, but the problem I see is that there is a stated objective amongst radical Muslims to turn Europe into a Dhimma state.
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