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Death of Hamas Leader
Topic Started: Mar 22 2004, 09:55 AM (1,943 Views)
Minuet
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^^^Did you even read the entire thread. Impulseengine was not talking about the past. He was accusing the CURRENT Israelis of terrorism and if you read him again he says he was under the impression that current Israelis are involved in suicide bombings. My statements stand.

Let's try to stick to the topic here. I really don't feel like arguing about the past. Go look at some of the older threads on those topics if you need to brush up on history.

PS - to your PS Thanks for illustrating my point that the past has nothing to do with todays issues. Those acts were against the British - not the Palestinians proving once again that Israelis have not performed terrorist acts against the Palestinians.

PPS - I was not bringing Mr. Dyan into the conversation - just identifing him for Anova.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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Actually, I believe that NZs examples all occurred back before 1949, didn't they? If not, then is was right at the founding of the Jewish state.

Here's one thing about that scum Yassin that the lamestream media news seems loath to carry: This guy had his own BROTHER killed because he was considered too moderate.
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Sgt. Jaggs
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:ermm: :rolleyes: I agree he should have been taken out long ago as should all terrorists.
But there is something disturbing about blasting a quadrapalegic in a wheelchair with a missle. They say there was nothing left of him but his head! :seesaw:



This is disturbing. :wow: :thud:












:woohoo: :shrug: :woohoo: :shrug: :huh:
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somerled
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Israel's assassination of this man can not be justified and deserves global condemnation.

Disgraceful !

Inexecuseable !

They are completely out of line.

Assassination of leaders you do not like can never be supported in a civilised world or society any more than linching, ethnic cleansing, or cold blooded murder. This was an act of government sponsored murder - nothing more and nothing less - by a government who cares nothing about the peaceful settlement of this conflict or about international law - unless it suits their purposes.

If he was a terrorist then he should have been taken into custody, and dealt with legally and convicted by a jury of his peers.

This act of thuggery will not help improve the situation for the Israelis, who ever ordered the strike was an idiot.
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Minuet
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^^^Believe it or not Somerled I do understand where you are coming from.

Of course it was just as disgraceful, and inexcusable when this man was planning similar attacks and sending teenagers on suicide missions. The actions of Yassin were out of line and also deserved global condemnation.

Maybe if the rest of the world recognized this they could have taken stronger action to stop Yassin and in the end saved his life.

And countless others.

Disgraceful.
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somerled
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Maybe if the rest of the world recognized this they could have taken stronger action to stop Yassin and in the end saved his life.

Minuet my answer to that shocking statement (I can't believe that you actually are supportive of this man's murder ... ) is
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he should have been taken into custody, and dealt with legally and convicted by a jury of his peers.

afterall with the military might of the Israeli Army cf with the totally ineffective forces Hamas could have mustered to oppose it, then they could have easily taken him as a prisoner or isolated him so he could no longer issue orders.
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Minuet
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Obviously you haven't been paying attention to what actually happens whenever Israel tries to take action.

Just take a look at how many UN resolutions have been condemnations of Israel. I can only imagine what would have happened had Israel tried to arrest someone so high up in the Palestinian hierarchy. Frankly, the condemnation would be similar to what they are going through now, but at least now they know the man is gone for good. Sorry, like 24thcenstfan I usually would not see myself cheering a murder, but sometimes it is nessesary.

PS - notice I said originally that the world should have taken action, as opposed to Israel taking action. Israel is in a no win situation no matter what they do.
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Minuet
Mar 22 2004, 11:44 PM
Israel is in a no win situation no matter what they do.

Ain't that the truth!
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somerled
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Blaming the rest of the world does not cut it.

The Israeli government and senior military are 100% accountable for actions the Israeli military have chosen to take (unilaterally and for the narrow ends of a land hungry, vindictive and ammoral minority who happen be part of the current government or who are able to sway this government).

The assassination helps no one, particularly not the innocent Israelis and Palestinians who will suffer as consequence of it.
The idiots who issued the order to carry out the assassination and the fools who authorised it are nothing more than criminals.

The arrest of the man, or isolation of him, may well have upset people, but it would not have converted him into somekind of martyre and focal point for rage.

Actions like this make Israel it's own worse enemy and DO NOT HELP THEM ONE IOTA.
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Wouldn't it be nice to see thousands in the streets protesting the death of Israelis at the hands of homicide bombers?

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Admiralbill_gomec
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Well stated, Rose!
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Minuet
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Mar 23 2004, 07:03 AM
Wouldn't it be nice to see thousands in the streets protesting the death of Israelis at the hands of homicide bombers?

Exactly what I was trying to say. But people like Somerled would rather see hundreds of schoolchildren die so the politicians can keep thier hands clean. He doesn't understand that for some reason Israel is held to a double standard. This is what I would call systemic anti-semitism. It is not right and it should be protested. No other country is expected to put up with what Israel is expected to put up with. All other countries are allowed to defend themselves, but Israel has to worry about the poor Palestinians. Where are thier Arab "brothers". Jordan really created the refugee problem, not Israel.
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ImpulseEngine
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Minuet,
Thanks for setting me straight. I'm not sure where I got that idea now about Israeli suicide bombers. :blush: Having read the rest of this thread, I think I'm in over my head on this one and will just stay out.

One more comment though, my original statement about terrorism on both sides was meant to be historical, not current. It's the whole history that impacts on this situation and that's largely the point I was making about why it's different from the US vs. al Qaeda.
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Sgt. Jaggs
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How about a Voyager Movie
The lands are a powder keg, they will never be shared until one side defeats the other. They are at war until one is defeated. This is going to end badly.
How bad will it have to get before great and sensible leaders are forced to find peace? I believe there is too much hate involved to see that through.
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Minuet
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Impulse, thanks for your comments.

I am not quite sure I understand your historical reference however. The "terrorism" done by the Jews when fighting for Israel was quite different from modern terrorism. For starters they worked overtime to prevent deaths - for example giving the British the chance to evacuate the King David Hotel before bombing it. At the time it should also be remembered that they were fighting for something that had already been promised in negotiations. Israel was promised to the Jewish people, but Britian was stalling when it came to giving it to them.

Everyone keeps saying that negotiation should come first, but every time the Israelis have tried they have paid with the blood of innocents. Stamping out people like Shiek Yassin is the only way to open the door to negotiations. I invite you to take a look at my response to Nztrekkie in his "What do these people have in common?" thread.
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