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Death of Hamas Leader
Topic Started: Mar 22 2004, 09:55 AM (1,934 Views)
Admiralbill_gomec
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I have read the articales yuo gave earlier in this thread as you asked and i have to say i'm pretty disappointed. Some articales are blatnatly opinionated, others unclear, some contradictory. I'll try to go through the in order.

In the first one its says:
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While the press is largely free within Israel proper, the country’s military assault on the Occupied Territories fueled a sharp deterioration in press freedom in the West Bank and Gaza during much of 2002. Despite vocal international protest, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) committed an assortment of press freedom abuses, ranging from banning press access in the West Bank to opening fire on journalists covering events.


This is completely opnionated a hate driven garbage. Opening fire on the press? You listed some incednets from IFEX but the intention is unclear. Evidence in very few of the IFEX mentioned cases is very unclear and the wording constantly gives air to a circumstantial slant against the IDF.

To quote myself from what i said earlier:
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That is such B.S. for crying out loud, Israel has been noted as one of the most open nations to the media promoting the phrase 'we have nothing to hide'. you saw during operation defensive shield tonnes of incredible close ups of the action with the media intermingled with Palestinians and the IDF. So save your breath. THe probelm is that it has put Israel in a lose-lose situation. First alot of media is sensationalizing the 'Palestinain opression' recording only tid bits and giving their own spin on it. Second as mentioned before the media in right in the action. And surprise surprise Israel has be charged by the world with the responsibility of protecting the media. So if the IDF is entering a place that is extremely dangerous they hold back the media and are accused of a cover up and violating the freedom of the press. And when one of these stupid reporters goes some where dangerous and gets hurt Israel gets blasted for putting the media in harms way!


More about IFEX again every incident is mentioned without the IDF point of view. Its alway 'we were "clearly marked" and we were shot at' no specific detail or IDF perspectives.

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It is unclear who fired the shot, but the witness said the area was quiet at the time of the shooting.


This is a good quote showing my point. The article slants against the IDF but says itself it could have been anyone!

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His Excellency Ariel Sharon


This is from another article of IFEX. I really need an explanation here...why is the Director calling Sharon his excellency? And why does it ask everyone else to mail complaint starting with 'his excellency'? Its not a monarchy or a dictator ship. Its a democracy! All politicians refer to Sharon as Mr. or Prime Minister thats all.

Unless it is due to the Directors back ground (which seems very doubtful) then this could very easily been seen as a sneaky way of smearing Ariel Sharon and making him look like a blood thirsty dictator! :frust:

By the way, do you think the US is shooting or supressing the freedom of hte press? IFEX seems to...

http://www.ifex.org/en/content/view/archivealerts/222/

I'm too tired to repeat all the obvious and restated with regards to the last article, maybe i'll do it later but here are some short articles to think about in relation to it.

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/jpost/abstract...inian+ambulance
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=41126
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=22190
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=55919
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=51100
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=46678
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=43862
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=34428
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Yo Yo :

So the International Red Cross is biassed and antisemetic ?

How about the Salvation Army ?
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Certainly the Red Cross workers in those articles were biased.

What hypocracy! They feel it is thier duty to save lives, but don't have the brains to recognize that the lives they are saving are people who are going out and taking even more lives. At the very least these workers were naive and uneducated, much like you Somerled.
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somerled
Apr 21 2004, 03:08 AM
Yo Yo :

So the International Red Cross is biassed and antisemetic ?

How about the Salvation Army ?

not saying they are - I haven’t done the research. This is more of a rhetorical statement to your answer.


But why cant they be? I mean are we suppose to give every good will organization a free pass simply because they are a good will organization? Environmentalists groups are “good will organizations” as saving the environment is not ill will. But most of them are definitely biased and a lot of them hate those who they feel are hurting the environment (equating to anti-semitism in your instance)

So to say that the Red Cross is some how above those feelings is a very wrong assumption. Its just human nature. They work closely with the palatinates and so they rightfuly feel compassion toward them more so then the Israelis. But such closeness and compassion often leads to bias and bias unchecked can lead to varying degrees of hatreds and dislikes for the other side in some people. The fact that they are performing a good will does not counter act these facts.
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There are three major aid programs
Red Cross
Red Crescent
Magen David Adom (Red Star of David)

The Red Cross for the most part has done many wonderful things in Israel with a few exceptions depending on who exactly is driving the ambulance. The Red Crescent however, is notorious in Israel for abusing its humanitarian label to aid the terrorist operations. Of course its not ALL of them lost of them really do their job, but there is an alarming number with do not. This forces the IDF to inspect Red Cresent and Red Cross ambulances just as they would regular vehicles. Of course most press releases that you read dont mention that vital bitty in info.

I did say the Red Cross was anti-semetic but something definitely wrong because for decades they have barred Magen David Adom from being part of the International Red Cross. Red Crescent had long been accpeted through out the world. MDA which operates in Jewish communities through out the world and not just israel has applies almost annually, but has been given no more than observer status in the Red Cross. The MDA is a purely humanitarian organization just like that of the Red Cross or Red Crescent. So you have to admit there is an extremely alarming double standard and unfounded rejection by the International Red Cross.
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