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| T'pol; Is she really a vulcan? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Mar 4 2004, 11:56 PM (321 Views) | |
| fireh8er | Mar 4 2004, 11:56 PM Post #1 |
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I'm Captain Kirk!
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Has T'pol ever used the vulcan neck pinch? Has she ever mind-melded with anyone. I was going to ask about Pon Far, but she always looks like she is in heat.(IMO) Does she have stronger than human strengh? In this week episode she look like she is going to lose it. I don't want to offend any of the ladies here, but T'pol is acting like a human female. What's the deal? |
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| Dandandat | Mar 5 2004, 12:20 AM Post #2 |
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Time to put something here
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Maybe the problem is that Jolene Blalock is not as good an actor as she is a good-looking woman. Maybe Jolene Blalock got the job on her looks more then her acting, and B&B thought over time she would grow into the Vulcan character. Playing a Vulcan must be a hard thing for an actor to do. You need to convey the thoughts and feelings of the character while at the same time you are limited in the emotional cues an actor relies upon. By the time B&B found out that Jolene Blalock was not up to the task of acting like a Vulcan it was to late to take her character out of the show. Now they need to write the T'pol character more traditional so that Jolene Blalock can handle it. |
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| captain_proton_au | Mar 5 2004, 03:02 AM Post #3 |
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Why they put a vulcan character in the show still confounds me. Hers would have been a much better character, and the show would have been better if she was a Betazed instead. Some plot along the lines of: Born on earth but clearly not human, parents whereabouts not known, joins the NX - 01 and discovers clues of her home world every now and then, and finally discovers the truth in a really good two-parter in season 6 or 7. |
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| bonja | Mar 5 2004, 06:17 AM Post #4 |
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She's used the pinch two or three times and Mind melds have been shown to be thought "improper" in the 22nd century. I don't have any problems with her showing emotions. Vulcans do have emotions and not every Vulcan can adhere to Surakian practices as well as others. I also understand there is some plot developement that might explain her behavior but I'm trying to avoid that information. |
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| Wichita | Mar 5 2004, 06:51 AM Post #5 |
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^^ Problem is that there is already at least 2 plot development that could explain her behavior. Both (or either) of those plot developments should have caused Archer to refuse to take her on this mission to the Expanse if he was really concerned about saving his planet. (Which is part of the reason I'm not sensing any jeopardy in this whole arc.) As Bill (I think) said, anything more is just deliberate character assassination. |
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| Sgt. Jaggs | Mar 5 2004, 08:13 AM Post #6 |
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How about a Voyager Movie
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There does need to be some good excuses made to explain her behavior. Could it be that Vulcan females are like this? Maybe this why Sarek chose a human mate? He could tell little difference! :lol: |
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| Swidden | Mar 5 2004, 12:35 PM Post #7 |
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While I agree there should be differences from one vulcan to the next, T'Pol was part of the Vulcan delegation to Earth. Presumaly since this entailed prolonged contact with highly emotional humans (I have to believe this was a topic discussed at the highest levels back on Vulcan), the people picked to join the delegation would have been through a battery of tests, including the vulcan equivalent of a psych work up. |
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| gdog243 | Mar 5 2004, 03:46 PM Post #8 |
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She's a vulcan who has undesiplined training. Either that or she is just like Soval, a romulan spy.
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| bonja | Mar 5 2004, 07:19 PM Post #9 |
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Well, if you're going to try to look at this logically we won't get anywhere.
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| starbase63 | Mar 5 2004, 08:48 PM Post #10 |
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The Old Man
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The trillium-D addiction story sounds bogus to me...I'm really starting to put some serious thought into the T'Pol-is-a-Romulan theory...maybe after being among the humans, she has begun to seriously doubt her mission (if she is indeed a spy) and may in the end refuse to give sensitive information to Soval to send back to Romulus. Hmmmmm...the gears are turning again....what if T'Pol is indeed a Romulan, but will eventually choose to side with Earth and Vulcan under her Vulcan guise...and down the road does meet Skon, and does end up being the mother of Sarek...this would lend a lot of backing to the reasons why Spock took up the cause of working for Vulcan-Romulan reunification...because he is in fact one quarter Romulan himself... Food for thought...
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| TribbleMom | Mar 5 2004, 09:39 PM Post #11 |
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Well, I've always thought the Vulcans -- all the Vulcans -- on Enterprise didn't act very Vulcan-like. They've been shown as deceitful and manipulative and prone to emotions like frustration and anger. Berman's explanation for this has been that the Vulcans are still in a developmental state at this point in time -- not yet quite as disciplined as the race has become by Spock's time. Supposedly in Enterprise's time, they're still learning how to adopt Surak's philosophies and teachings. Remember, in an ancient time, they were a very violent race. Yes, Vulcans have emotions, but they recognize that in their past those emotions very nearly destroyed them. It's still hard for me to swallow that explanation. Surak lived about 2000 years before Spock. So supposedly the Vulcans (by the time of Enterprise) have been studing his philosophies for 1900 years and still haven't quite "gotten it" yet. Certainly the Vulcan doctors in "Stigma" were still openly exhibiting prejudice and bigotry, despite the fact that there was a huge IDIC symbol decorating their wall. But somehow within the next century, by Spock's time, they have apparently "gotten it" and become the race we all saw exemplified by Spock and Sarek and T'Pau, where mind melds are now acceptable and apparently practiced regularly. T'Pol, in my mind, does not seem to be a Vulcan as we know them, if Spock, Sarek, Tuvok, etc. are used as the standard. However, every race is made up of individuals, and every individual is unique. But I find it difficult to believe that such a "unique" Vulcan would have been tolerated as part of the Vulcan High Command. I've heard the explanation that so much association with Humans is contaminating her. I've also heard the explanation that her abberant behavior can be linked to effects of Trellium-D. Neither explanation seems really plausible. The way that her character has been written has mostly been a disappointment for me since the beginning. |
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| starbase63 | Mar 6 2004, 06:11 AM Post #12 |
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After meeting the group of emotional Vulcans, they kind of lay the hints that Vulcan is on the verge of a cultural revolution, maybe the Romulan War is what leads to it...
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| bonja | Mar 6 2004, 08:33 AM Post #13 |
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I think the main problem with people's limited understaning of Vulcan culture is that our earliest contact was with one family of highly atypical Vulcans. Spock, who is half-human was the 1st Vulcan in Starfleet. He rose to to the rank of Commander and became First Officer on a starship. He comes from an old and very important family since we learned that T'Pau, an important individual, is his family matriarch. Sarek is the Vulcan Ambassador to the Federation and it appears that he is also the UFP ambassador to unaligned worlds. I don't think the average Vulcan can claim anything similar. It would be trying to establish an understanding of Earth culture based on a biography of JFK. Why isn't T'Pring considered typical. She was willing to have someone killed in order to keep her boyfriend. to parphrase "If Kirk killed you, he'd reject me and I would have Stonn. If you killed Kirk, you would reject me for challenging you and I would have Stonn. If you didn't reject me, You would still have your career and be off somewhere and I would still have Stonn." I don't think any decision on what is real Vulcan behavior until we can be exposed to more Vulcans. |
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| Sgt. Jaggs | Mar 6 2004, 09:08 AM Post #14 |
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How about a Voyager Movie
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You should write for Paramount! That idea you just laid out got me excited!!
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| Minuet | Mar 6 2004, 02:51 PM Post #15 |
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I hate to admit it but Bonja may have a point about the Vulcans. I can think of 2 other Vulcans who were atypically emotional. Yesterday I say "Take Me Out to the Holosuite", an episode of DS9 I had not seen for a while. Talk about an emotional Vulcan. I don't remember his name, but the Vulcan who went to the academy with Sisko was awfully intent on showing Vulcan superiority, right to the extent of getting downright emotional about it. At the end of the show he was extremely irritated that the crew did not appear defeated dispite losing the game. Also, on Voyager there was the Vulcan crewmate who basically lusted after B'elanna. I am not only talking about the episode where he went into the Pon Farr, but the other episodes where he was always trying to get her attention and even asking her out on dates. |
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