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Harbinger - Official Review Thread; ***Warning Spoilers****
Topic Started: Feb 11 2004, 03:01 PM (567 Views)
Minuet
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And here we are again with another striptease - um, er, episode. :rolleyes:

Is this going to be an episode for the fanboys? Or is the teaser just that, only a teaser with little to follow up. Usually the preview scenes end up being for the C or D story :ermm:

We will see you here tonight after the strip - um, er, show. :whistle:
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gdog243
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I'm starting to feel a bit optimistic about tonights episode. Some of the early reviews (Not wanting to see spoilers of course) have liked it. I still wish with Proving Ground, and Stradegen as kind of a 2 part story, they would pick up where last week left off to give enterprise some Arc feel. I don't mind the fillers, but this season has been full of fillers. The season's almost over, and they havn't really had a true arc yet.
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24thcenstfan
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Holy freakin crap in a basket! :o And I think you all know what scene I am talking about! I am so shocked at the direction they have taken T'Pol this season. :ermm: I have other comments about the show. I'll be back later. :rolleyes:
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Hmmm, if they wanted to have an emotional sex object why did they make her a Vulcan? I mean after 10 movies and four series did they some how forget what Vulcans are all about? Whats next are we going to have pacifist Klingons?

As for the episode, I didn’t like it all that much, it was not on par with the last coupled of episodes.

The hate between the Hays and Reed seemed a little forced. I mean up until now they hasn't been any real indication that they didn’t like each other, but today they are at each others throats. If they wanted to use this story line, they should have sawn a few more seeds along other episodes. I did like how Archer yelled at them at the end though.

So are we getting our first look at the showed-guy or at lest a member of his peoples? If they are going to end this arch in the near future shouldn’t they elaborate a little more on these things. I fear that the last episode of this season is going to leave a lot of lose threads and plot holes.
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In no particular order ...

1) Why is Major Hayes calling Lt. Reed "Sir"? (I've given up on an explanation of why T'Pol is still second-in-command.)

2) Have we seen Major Hayes since the first episode of the season? If we are to believe "simmering hostility", shouldn't we see some "simmering hostility" between then and now?

3) Did anyone *like* the fight scene because you had gotten to the point of wanting to beat the crap out of each of them (for being annoying) yourself and were just glad that someone did it?

4) Aren't these expert MAACO's the same people who have been getting the crap kicked out of them weekly by each of the five Xindi species?

5) Can someone buy Trip a clue? Single young men in quarters with a single young female and you are "surprised" she would kiss you? Also that it's OK to have sex with THAT woman - you don't report to her. (See #1)

6) Did anyone notice T'Pol didn't take her shirt off when the girl was in her quarters like she did earlier in the season when it was Trip there to have a neuro-pressure session?

7) Has Phlox been spending his free time reading Harlequin romances? Why did he rush to tell T'Pol what was going on between Trip and Amanda Coles? Couldn't HE tell Trip to knock off the sessions?

8) Why is Trip still having twice weekly sessions with T'Pol? Doesn't the woman have other things to do with her time? That's a lot of time to invest in teaching someone something that you aren't going to let him use on anyone else and apparently can't be done on yourself.

9) Did the mess hall scene at the end seem out of order? Like they should have shown that scene and then have them called to rescue the ship from the alien?

More later ... probably ... ;)
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Overall, this episode was average.

--Well, I guess it wouldn’t be an Enterprise episode if it didn’t begin with a tasteful neuro-pressure scene. Hey…at least some of the other women on the ship are getting the pleasure of Trip’s new “expertise” in the discipline. :rolleyes:

--I think I am finally warming up to Malcolm a bit. I actually found myself laughing a little when he was ribbing Trip about his possible relationships with T’Pol and Amanda.

--I am very disappointed with the direction B&B have taken T’Pol. Couples having relations on Trek isn’t new. Vulcans (except when they are going through Pon Farr) having sex on Trek is extremely bizarre and out of sink with what we have been presented with thus far about Vulcans.

--I have to say that the mess hall scene when Trip and T’Pol met up the “morning after” was odd. They set the scene up so that she would play off the sex as a “logical” experiment… “For facilitating my exploration of human sexuality”—T’Pol. What a crock! I wonder what this new sexual turn of events will eventually be blamed on…alternate timelines, her having Pa'nar Syndrome or the after effects of the Expanse? Either way…it was all probably about showing a little skin for the little 12-year-old horn dogs watching. :rolleyes:

--I wonder how this new alien fits into the Xindi equation? I am sure we will find out on the season finale.

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7) Has Phlox been spending his free time reading Harlequin romances? Why did he rush to tell T'Pol what was going on between Trip and Amanda Coles? Couldn't HE tell Trip to knock off the sessions?

I think Phlox has slowly been turning into a pervert, living vicariously through the other crew members...and quite possibly is reading too many Harlequin romance novels! :lol:


I give this episode :) :) out of 5 :)
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Well folks the strip, er, show was interesting, to say the least.

I did not care for the scenes with T'pol and Trip. If they are going to make T'pol emotional at least give us a friggin reason why. And her stupid explanation of exploring human sexuality sucked big time. Why can't these two talk like real adults instead of acting like 15 year olds?

With that said I disagree with Dandandat regarding the tensions with Reed and Hayes. They have alluded to these problems all season long. I think the fight was a catharsis they both needed. I suspect these two are about to become good friends.

Hey, Mayweather had more lines in the first 20 minutes of the show then he has had all season! Of course to make room for him Hoshi was MIA. I still wonder why they have not shown the two of them together at all. After all, they have alluded to the two of them having a close friendship. It would be nice to see it. More interesting then T'pol and Trip.

I don't think B&B know where they are taking this story. The alien's lines at the end just make a convoluted storyline make even less sense. Enough already. Let's just hit the cosmic reset button and let everyone get on with exploring already.

One last item. Did you catch the trailer for next weeks show? It is almost an exact ripoff of a Voyager episode with the Doctor standing in for 7 of 9.

I agree with 24 this one only rates :) :) out of 5 :)
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I didnt care for this episode much except for the conflict between Reed, and Hayes. I think that the last scene with them, where Reed asked "Do you think we're dismissed?" says it all. The result can only be a tight bond between the two, and a stronger crew as a result...
I DID notice that the next episode is a direct ripoff of that Voyager episode...cant remember the name of it though. I hope they have a completely different storyline for it, but Phlox freaking out while the crew is in stasis sounds JUST like Seven freaking out for the same reason...Minuet, I agree completely.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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Once again, I missed most of this episode... not the first seven minutes, but the first 45. Let's just chalk it up to bad weather.

What did I see... the fight scene between Malcolm and the major was obviously staged and most of the contact that was made wouldn't have raised a booboo, much let cut or bruised (unless Malcolm is on blood thinners?). I know, I know, it was that tired old cliche' where two guys that fight become buddies by the end of the episode. How many times, in how many movies and TV series has this been done?

I can't figure out why the major would call Malcolm "Sir" unless he has orders to serve under him. A major is equivalent to a Lieutenant Commander (O-4), and judging by the pips, Malcolm falls short by "half a stripe" (O-3).

I really wish that Berman and Braga would get a few minor details like this fixed.

I saw the scene with the alien that runs through walls, and since I missed the first 3/4 of the episode, I have no idea what he was supposed to be, or do. One thing... if you can run through bulkheads, you can also drop through the deck! Remember the TNG episode with Ro and someone else doing it?

The whole bit about Trip and T'Pol in the mess hall... both lame and stupid.

Was Trip supposed to be getting "more personal" with the Corporal... what's her name? BIG NO-NO! An officer can fraternize with other officers, but NEVER with an enlisted person!

Based on the last fifteen minutes I give this episode 1.5 stars out of 5. It just wasn't good enough for two stars.
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An officer can fraternize with other officers, but NEVER with an enlisted person!

Admiral,

Would you mind explaining the difference? When I read that, I was trying to figure out why one is okay while the other is not--perhaps it's because I thought enlisted persons and officers were synonymous? Is this a difference in rank question, or something else?
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^^^Fesarius

Since we are talking about rank and such, here is my theory for the moment...

I have always been confused about the separate nature of Starfleet and MACO (military) on Enterprise anyway. However, my impression right now is that Starfleet and MACO (military) are two separate entities (both not divisions of say a DOD type of structure). Also, beyond the ranking similarities, there is nothing else that the two entities have in common (except for being earth organizations). So fraternization wouldn’t be an issue between a member of Starfleet and a MACO. It would be like a civilian pilot/astronaut (scientist perhaps) from NASA hooking up with a Lieutenant in the Military. Although this comparison might not be the best/accurate description...

Another reason why I think the two organizations are not divisions of one command (DOD type) is that Malcolm has mentioned on many occasions his father’s disappointment that he joined Starfleet and not the military. However, this could be a similar response a father might have if his son joined the Air Force instead of Marines or some other major branch of the service. But I don't think it is the latter.

Anyway, due to the lack of clarification on B&B’s part, this is how I have come to justify/explain how higher-ranking officers (Major Hayes) end up calling a lower "ranking" officer (Lieutenant Reed) "Sir" (out of respect that the MACO is not on a military ship and the MACOs are just sort of "on loan" to Starfleet). Or, a Science Officer being promoted to Second in Command (on a Starfleet exploration ship). They are two separate entities or command structures and not a division of the same organization (DOD for example).

If I recall, there seems to still be a slight division with the military and Starfleet even in the 24th Century. One of the characters on DS9 (Dr. Bashir perhaps) joined Starfleet, when his father wanted him to join the military. Don't quote me on this last bit...I think I have the character wrong (I'll check into it).
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24,

Sounds quite reasonable to me. I think the 'Sir' is a sign of respect, and I have no quarrel with that at all. But the fraternizing issue is somewhat confusing to me. You've helped clear some of that up--thanks. :)

When I was a graduate T.A., I recall faculty reiterating how it was never okay for a teacher and an undergraduate student to have a relationship (beyond Platonic), and yet it was fine for the relationship (beyond Platonic) to exist between a faculty member and a *graduate* student. Odd, eh?
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Bill I forgot (never knew?) the MAACO was a corporal - that would change that dynamic from what I was thinking.

Now, if the MAACO's had been put aboard as a "separate but equal" entity, I think I would understand it better. I can understand Hayes "checking in" with Malcolm from the courtesy angle, but it seems to be more than that as portrayed.
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I can understand Hayes "checking in" with Malcolm from the courtesy angle, but it seems to be more than that as portrayed.

Rose,

Agreed. That's my perception as well--that it has more 'weight' than simply a courtesy. (Not that being courteous is a bad thing, of course. ;))
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:rolleyes:

So, this is the infamous "episode 15" that got most fans of this series so uptight because of all the so-called T&A. I think its safe to say this might be the most overrated and overrhyped episode for 2 reasons. One, when this episode was first reported, there was a big overreaction on the fans' part because of what the report said about Trip and T'pol getting it on. Second, this episode seemed to get the special promo treatment from UPN. I mean they have that "Passions Run Deep" and another tagline that I don't remember right now, and the cool pop music in the backround, all amounts too an episode that was overhyped.

As for the episode itself, I was disappointed. I mean it wasn't a bad episode, but it also didn't do anything to me. There were 3 completely different plots, none of which had anything to do with one another, and all three were pretty pointless. The first plot with the Alien was probably the most pointless. We learned nothing new, and his little last line about "When the Xindi destroy earth, we will previal" was forced, staged, and a complete joke. ahhh, new alien species who we learn nothing about making threats like that. Was that supposed to be scary. Would you even call it a threat. :rolleyes:

As for the Reed/Hayes plot, it had potential to be really good, but it was just ok. Fortunatly, it was the best plot of the night and the reason I liked the episode, but that isn't saying much. Why I say it could have had potential was because if the writers had developed that relationship from The Xindi more this season, it would have added to last night. Instead, because we never learn more about thier relationship after Xindi, it just felt like the plot was out of the blue. Also, the fight scenes weren't bad, but they were not really convincing either.

As for the Trip/T'pol/Cole scenes, the previews are really missleading. Other than a kiss that came out of the blue, nothing really happened. I don't like T'pol not acting like a vulcan, and wish the writers would come out and aknowledge that. Heck, if they aknowledged anything to any of our questions this season, I will be really happy. Ever since Voyager, they havn't done it and like I said last week, my patience is rearing thin. I guess the only good part was the fact that Amanda Cole looked hot. Pity she was a Maco out of nowhere and she probably won't return. Also, I was right last week. This episode was for the fanboys of trekdom. :rolleyes: Where's Mike Sussman when you need him the most. :(

Overall, after a good somewhat two parter in Proving Ground and Stradegem, I guess Enterprise had to fall back to earth. Next weeks episode looks like Voyager's "One" and when they say "You won't believe the ending" I say, "I probably will." I still can't wait till Azati Prime :(

Grade: D+
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