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Stratagem - Official Review Thread; ***Warning Spoilers***
Topic Started: Feb 4 2004, 05:04 PM (421 Views)
Fesarius
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Gdog,

Harbinger (episode 15) looked quite good, actually. Did you happen to read what Antodav wrote about it on the other Board? Good stuff. :)
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I don't know Fasarius. I hope "Harbinger" is good, but the previews from last night show it to be another one of those T&A episodes that make fanboys piss in thier pants over. They say this is an arc, the last two episodes has felt like an arc, and they have momentum. It just seems like the writers are going to loose that momentum in Sweeps Month. I hope Harbinger is good, but I won't be surprised if it isn't.
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I missed the preview for next week, but many over on the Enterprise (startrek.com) board are crowing about T'Pol and Trip sharing a kiss next week on Harbinger. So if this is true, then your T&A assessment just might be spot on. :shrug: Then again, I am at the point where I no longer care (well not totally ;) ). IMO, half of this season has been washout anyway. I say bring on Season 4 and let's establish a bit of normalcy again on Enterprise. :yes:
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Feb 5 2004, 12:15 PM
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Yeah, Harbinger is supposed to showcase the tensions between the MACOs and Reed, I believe.  I think that is the B story. :)

Actually Reed and Hayes are the B story, the love thing is the C story, and the A story is about an alien the ship finds.

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I did check the schedule, we get Prime in March, and then there is a huge gap before the next episode. I thought this was supposed to be an "Arc." 

Arc does not mean the have to show all the episodes back to back. Maybe they want to bring up the suspence with a variation of a two parter?


And I think it's more of a 11 or 12 week gab betwen "Prime" and the finale.
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True, but Arc does mean consecutives shows back to back to back. For a perfect example, watch DS9's occupation arc from "A Time To Stand" To "Sacrifice of Angels." We havn't had that with enterprise, nor have we had the consecutive back to back to back to back episodes yet. They do get close, but then they have another standalone.
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Feb 5 2004, 09:33 PM
And I think it's more of a 11 or 12 week gab betwen "Prime" and the finale.

Well I certainly hope there isn’t a 12 week gap (3 months) between the two episodes…that would take us into June. ;)

Actually, I also mistakenly wrote that the gap was between Azati Prime and the Season Finale, when in actuallity it is between Azati Prime and Damage (the next to last episode).

Azati Prime is scheduled to air on March 3rd and the next to the last episode (Damage) is scheduled to air on April 21st. So it is about a 6 and ˝ week gap between those two episodes. The Season Finale (The Forgotten) is scheduled to air one week later on April 28th.

Edit: Nevermind. Just discovered The Forgotten isn't the Season Finale. KiraAnara you were spot on with your 12 week statement!!
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Feb 5 2004, 07:01 PM
KiraAnara
Feb 5 2004, 09:33 PM
And I think it's more of a 11 or 12 week gab betwen "Prime" and the finale.

Well I certainly hope there isn’t a 12 week gap (3 months) between the two episodes…that would take us into June. ;)

Actually, I also mistakenly wrote that the gap was between the Azati Prime and the Season Finale, when in actuallity it is between Azati Prime and Damage (the next to last episode.

Azati Prime is scheduled to air on March 3rd and the next to the last episode (Damage) is scheduled to air on April 21st. So it is about a 6 and ˝ week gap between those two episodes. The Season Finale (The Forgotten) is scheduled to air one week later on April 28th.

Are you sure. That seems too early for the season finale. Heck, thats before May Sweeps, which isn't good for UPN to have ENT in reruns than.

EDIT: I checked the schedule and "The Forgotten" isn't the Season finale. After Forgotten its E2 and thats the 21st episode of the season. If they are going for 24, than they will end it in May sweeps.
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Heck, I could be wrong. I am working off the assumption that The Forgotten is the Season Finale. Here check this link Season 3 and see what you can make of the schedule. Could it be that there are going to be more episodes after The Forgotten?

Edit: I just counted the episodes and shouldn't there be 4 more after The Forgotten if we are working off a 24 Episode Season? If so, then KiraAnara is definitely spot on with her 12 week statement.
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I'll be watching "Stratgem" this weekend, but wanted to weigh in on this whole arc debate that seems to have sprung up. My problem is that the filler episodes seem to have been better than the Xindi plot all together. We get one or two new episodes, then a rerun or two (or more). Of the, say two, new episodes one is Xindi related the other a filler. It has a tendency to slow the pace of what has been a frustrating arc to begin with.

One more thing, I am going against conventional wisdom here but I am not sure we are going to see the Big Red Cosmic Reset Button (BRCRB) used at the end of this story-line. I have a hunch B&B will try to weave this all into Star Trek "history".
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I have a hunch B&B will try to weave this all into Star Trek "history".

That would be my guess as well.
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From what I gather, after "Azati Prime," there is a 6 week gap before we get to see "Damage," I think there then is 6 new episodes starting with "Damage," because the finale is supposed to be near the end of May.
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I finally got to see this episode over the weekend after basketball again pre-empted my local Wednesday night showing. I guess it won't matter if they move Enterprise to 9:00 pm, I won't get to see it until Saturdays or Sundays anyway. :rolleyes:

I liked this episode overall from an entertainment standpoint, but I wasn't fooled by the beginning beyond the first couple of minutes. I guessed they were in a simulation long before they showed it. But I was fooled by the end. I thought they had really gone through the vortex so I was surprised to find this was yet another deception by the crew. I was glad it turned out that way too because I had originally thought it was unrealistic that they had managed to figure out the Xindi technology that quickly.

I agree with gdog243 that it's about time they explain the human threat. This whole scene had multiple problems. First, I could almost empathize with Degra that upon hearing about the human threat, his world decided to develop the weapon and he was motivated by the welfare of his children. But aren't we supposed to be angry at the villain? True, the mixed messages/feelings are often a part of good trek, but what bothered me is that my feelings were completely inconsistent with how the crew was feeling. Archer as usual seemed to feel nothing but anger. Nobody seemed to say, "wow, Degra cares most about his children - maybe the Xindi aren't so different from we humans." Maybe if they elaborated on the nature of the human threat, I would have some idea of how I'm supposed to feel about all this.

I'd give this one :) :) :) out of :) :) :) :) :)
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Just carious, does anyone know if there is an episode in the works following up "Exile" and the knowledge that the Expanse was artifically created? I've liked that plot (Plus the whole thing with the Spheres) more than then the Xindi and hope they havn't forgotten about it.
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Well, we have had another decent episode. If I had not looked through this thread prior to seeing the episode and knowing about the deception I would have been poised to expect another BRCRB story. I am still not hanging on the edge of my seat with the Xindi threat. The "humanzing" of Degra does not come as a surprise, I think that was inevitable. It makes me wonder what role he will play down the line. Though with no memory of the events of Strategem he has no reason to see the Enterprise crew as nothing more than would be destroyers yet.

Storylines are definitely improved this season, so I hope that as the Xindi plot wraps itself up we will have some episodes where we are anxiously expecting something.
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