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| Hoss | Dec 31 2003, 04:07 PM Post #1 |
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The Emergency Command Hologram (ECH) would seem to me to be incompatable with the Emergency Medical Hologram's (EMH) matrix (whatever that means). The ECH would have to make decisions that may involve killing enemies or sacrificing crew members for the sake of the ship. There was an episode in which the EMH went bonkers because he had to choose to save Ensign Kim's life over that of another crew. This would make the ECH a serious risk if just a spin of the EMH's program. Did they explain how they overcame this in a Voyager episode that I missed or is this one of your typical Star Trek style plot holes? |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Dec 31 2003, 06:11 PM Post #2 |
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I'm pretty sure it was another plot hole... (considering the source)! |
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| TribbleMom | Jan 1 2004, 11:01 AM Post #3 |
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I recall that Voyager episode, "Latent Image," where the EMH was in the position of being able to save only Kim and having to allow another (Ensign Jetal) to die. Sent his program into a spin because that kind of decision was incompatible with his original programming, and I recall Captain Janeway sitting up with the Doctor for many hours while his program tried to assimilate and adjust to this new kind of input. I think that several crew members got involved in trying to help the Doctor adjust his programming to "accept" that he could not always save everyone. Perhaps this adjustment would allow the EMH to be able to make such decisions as the ECH would have to. Over the course of the 7 years of the show, we saw the EMH go through numerous changes and additions to his original programming. |
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| Swidden | Jan 2 2004, 01:00 AM Post #4 |
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I believe they sort of dealt with it the episode in question. There was also considerable development/evolution of the course of the series of the EMH character/program. It had been designed to have heuristic capabilities, and was meant to be interactive (if only for short periods). Though I will admit the idea of an ECH seemed a bit of a stretch (a little too M5-ish for my tastes). |
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| Hoss | Jan 2 2004, 08:55 AM Post #5 |
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Yeah, I remember them staying up and helping the Doctor on the Holodeck when he went bonkers, Tribblemom. I just thought that this kind of made him untrustworthy as an ECH. Also, he is apparently easily corruptable to those who would manipulate his program. |
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| TribbleMom | Jan 2 2004, 03:05 PM Post #6 |
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Yes, that's a very good point. I do seem to recall there were times when the Doctor's programming was altered (by the alien of the week, or whomever) to act differently from his original programming. I think I even remember an episode where he was actually hurting some of the Voyager crew. And once during B'Elanna's pregnancy she was trying to re-program him so that he would terminate the pregnancy. Your point about his corruptability is exceptionally well-founded. I suppose the writers were struggling, after several years, to think of something new, different, and exciting for this character to keep him interesting to the audience. |
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| Minuet | Jan 2 2004, 03:08 PM Post #7 |
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^^^^ A slight correction. B'Elanna was not trying to terminate her pregnancy. She was trying to genetically alter her baby to look human, not Klingon. |
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| Fesarius | Jan 2 2004, 03:09 PM Post #8 |
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^^^ 38957, Somewhat related to your question-- I watched The Swarm last evening. (This is the one where one of the two primary stories concerns the Doctor's failing memory due essentially to his being over-worked, and where his creator, D. Zimmerman, is replicated by B'Elanna to try either to fix him or to restart the program from scratch.) I thought the episode was quite good. I esp. liked the singing segments of the Doctor (La Boheme) and his humor throughout. I like how we are (at first) left wondering whether the Doctor will retain all of his memories--and how his singing the aria at the conclusion resolves the question for us.
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| Hoss | Jan 2 2004, 03:19 PM Post #9 |
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It seems to me, although they didn't have Voyager episodes specifically about it, that the main computer could be compromised as easily as the Doctor's program. This was more commonplace in TNG with the Binars, the virus that destroyed the Yamato, the silicon life forms, the crazy life form created by the computer in the episode with the train hologram, a fistful of datas, etc. Basically, everyone in any Starship is doomed. :lol: |
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| Swidden | Jan 2 2004, 10:09 PM Post #10 |
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^^^ Actually 38957, what you say in jest is really quite true-- potentially. Space will not likely ever be considered a hospitable environment. In a few weeks we will reach the one year anniversary of the Columbia disaster. Whether it is a starship in the 23rd or 24th century or a chemical fueled rocket space travel will always have a slightly higher element of danger involved... |
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| TribbleMom | Jan 3 2004, 11:32 AM Post #11 |
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OOOPS! Sorry. My bad. I didn't bother to double-check exactly what she was doing before I posted. You're right -- that would've brought the whole abortion debate and was probably an issue that the Trek writers and producers didn't want to get into. Thanks for making that clearer. |
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| Hoss | Jan 5 2004, 08:23 AM Post #12 |
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It still kind of opens the can of worms in which people want to do genetic screening on their embryos or fetus'. So that they might weed out the undesirable ones with this problem or another. They could do this based on sex as well. This would probably go over well in China where everyone wants a boy. I have a Chinese friend and he tells me that lately Chinese men have had to start importing 'wives' from Vietnam. The Vietnamese families need the money so, basically, sell their daughters to the Chinese men. There is a shortage of girls in China as everyone wants a boy and sometime female children are aborted in utero or post utero. In other words, murder. This all sounds scary to me. I have two daughters and wouldn't trade them for anything. |
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| Fesarius | Jan 5 2004, 11:26 AM Post #13 |
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But *why* do the Chinese prefer boys? I don't understand why one sex is preferred over another. Is it economics? Cultural? Religious?
Agreed. I have three girls, and they're precious. Note to 24thcenstfan: No, our daughters are not named Prudence, Piper, and Phoebe--although in retrospect, it would have been tempting.... And yes, I suppose we would need a fourth daughter, eh?
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| Minuet | Jan 5 2004, 11:38 AM Post #14 |
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Fesarius - it is a matter of economics and culture. Unfortunately the Communist Government is very strict in imposing a one child limit. Women are forced to have abortions or be sterilized after one (healthy) child. In rural areas people want male heirs who can continue to work the farms. If a daughter is born they are often left to die or are adbandoned in an orphanage so that the couple can try again. Every time I read about this I give both my daughters a big hug. |
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| Fesarius | Jan 5 2004, 11:53 AM Post #15 |
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Minuet, Thanks. Okay--so if only one child is allowed, and it is a girl, then they (given their mindset) have very little choice with regard to what they can do. Gosh, reading your post is quite heart-wrenching.... |
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And yes, I suppose we would need a fourth daughter, eh?

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