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Friendship and Enterprise
Topic Started: Dec 11 2003, 10:40 AM (209 Views)
24thcenstfan
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Watching the first scenes of Extinction (repeat) last night, made me realize how much more interesting T’Pol and Trip’s relationship would be if they remained friends (made to be best friends).

Friendship can be a very intense, dynamic and amazing type of relationship. When I think of Trek, friendship is often what comes to mind. Kirk and Spock, O’Brien and Bashir, LaForge and Data, Riker/Picard and Worf (I know interesting choice, but I always felt that both Picard and Riker had developed strong friendships with Worf), Janeway and Tuvok (I thought she had more of a friendship connection with Tuvok than Chakotay).

Then there were the couples that, in addition to their passionate love for each other, radiated a soulful friendship (Riker and Troi and Worf and Jadzia).

There were even hate/hate relationships that had undercurrents of friendship (which further developed their character). Right off hand, Kira and Dukat comes to mind.


If B&B really wanted to spice the show up, they would concentrate on writing a quality friendship between T’Pol and Trip. Instead of a poorly written (going nowhere) sexual innuendo/stupid one-liner relationship. Also, by focusing more on the interpersonal friendship/relationships (of all the crew members), the storylines could be limitless. Look at all of the adventures, crises, celebrations and triumphs that were a part of the other Trek series (in a large part due to the friendships between the characters).


IMO, the theme of deeply connected friendship seems to be missing overall in Enterprise. I constantly get the impression that I am watching a show where a bunch of acquaintances are working together. Doesn’t make it easy to develop an emotional connection with the series.


Comments? Yes, no, maybe? :)
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If B&B really wanted to spice the show up, they would concentrate on writing a quality friendship between T’Pol and Trip. Instead of a poorly written (going nowhere) sexual innuendo/stupid one-liner relationship.


IMO, the theme of deeply connected friendship seems to be missing overall in Enterprise. I constantly get the impression that I am watching a show where a bunch of acquaintances are working together. Doesn’t make it easy to develop an emotional connection with the series.

24,

Yes. :) I would very much like to see a friendship between them, rather than anything more than that. Truth be told, I don't get the impression that Trip really likes T'Pol more than Platonically. In a recent episode I saw, he remarked that Reed was starting to talk about him being in her quarters. She responded (paraphrased) that if anything were going on, it wouldn't be his concern. I got the distinct impression from her nuance (and from Trip's facial gestures and language) that she didn't care for Trip other than being his friend, and that he too felt similarly. (Granted, this impression could be wrong, but I don't think it is.) But I do agree that ENT needs more chemistry. There have been snippets of this in all three seasons, but nothing as earth-shattering as with the TOS triad (or expansion to eight thereof). :)
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This show is doing alright friendship wise. Yes, Trip and T'Pol should only be friends, and it seems so far that's all they think of each other. I personally don't want there to be romantic relationships on this show. But so far we have the friendship between Archer and Trip, which we don't see much of this year. We also have the friendship between Reed and Trip, which hopefully they will expand upon. I also liked the start of a friendship between Reed and Sato. I also want to see more of this friendship between Mayweather and Sato. If anything, we'd be able to see them on-screen more.
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We also have the friendship between Reed and Trip, which hopefully they will expand upon.

KiraAnara,

I will be quite disappointed if the *don't* expand upon this. It is begging for expansion. For example (and I've not seen seven episodes of ENT this season, so I could have missed this), has the tension between Trip and Reed regarding the former's sister's death been resolved?
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jjtrek
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That IS one of the things missing from Enterprise. A sense of family, or even deep friendship. Also, getting to know the characters. By Season 3, we should not only know them, but felt a sense of belonging in their universe when we watch each episode. So far, this hasn't occured.

Enterprise, IMHO, is the weakest of the ST series to date.

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Enterprise, IMHO, is the weakest of the ST series to date.

With this I would not quibble. Still, I find much that I like about the show. :)
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Dec 11 2003, 10:55 AM
Truth be told, I don't get the impression that Trip really likes T'Pol more than Platonically.  In a recent episode I saw, he remarked that Reed was starting to talk about him being in her quarters.  She responded (paraphrased) that if anything were going on, it wouldn't be his concern.  I got the distinct impression from her nuance (and from Trip's facial gestures and language) that she didn't care for Trip other than being his friend, and that he too felt similarly.

Interesting. Posted Image Sometimes it is hard to get past the neuro-pressure scenes...one (me for instance ;)) might not pick up on a facial expression here, the subtlety of a phrase there. :blink:

I have had a different impression thus far. Maybe I am reading more into their behavior...presuming more attraction (as a result of the sexual innuendo) than there really is. :huh: Definitely food for thought. :yes:
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Admiralbill_gomec
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I just attribute it to poor writing from B&B, to be honest.
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I just attribute it to poor writing from B&B, to be honest.

Unfortunately, Admiral, I think you're correct. I say this because if they *are* trying to make T'Pol and Trip romantically involved, they are not convincing me (while they are convincing others). If they are not trying to do this, they are still convincing some that they are--this inconsistency can't be a good thing writing-wise. :(
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jjtrek
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I remember reading (but don't remember where) that Berman didn't want to bother to hire actual sci-fi writers for Enterprise, saying that those writers would know too much about science fiction. :blink: Don't ask me what that means, I couldn't tell you. But it answers the question as to why Enterprise has such poor writing.

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^^^

Jjtrek,

If you happen to recall where you read that, please let me know. I'd be very interested in reading it. :)
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Dec 12 2003, 10:44 AM
I remember reading (but don't remember where) that Berman didn't want to bother to hire actual sci-fi writers for Enterprise, saying that those writers would know too much about science fiction. :blink: Don't ask me what that means, I couldn't tell you.

It probably means that B&B didn't want to get writers in who would take too much time debating whether or not something is possible according to the laws of physics or if a ship could really function the way they want it to do in a given episode. B&B probably wanted (speculation on my part) to get in writers who would just crank out an episode script in faster time and hope the audience would accept whatever they wrote. Seems the attitude now is: so what if it breaks the laws of science? -- It's science-FICTION after all.

Unfortunately, it seems that they may be forgetting that one of the factors that helped previous Trek incarnations was that, even though they did sometimes break the laws of physics, they tried to do so in a convincing way. Isaac Asimov stated that once in a recorded interview with Gene Roddenberry, and said that that was one thing he admired about Trek and what put it light-years ahead of, for instance, Lost In Space.

I believe Andre Bormanis is still on board with Enterprise, and I was under the impression that he was the "science guy" for these shows -- the one they'd ask whenever someone would say, "But could that really happen?" Maybe they're not asking Andre much anymore, or maybe his input isn't taken into account as much as it once was.
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Hmm.. Enterprise, the Lost in Space of the new millenium.
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